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lareli:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on October 16, 2014, 04:11:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: largeli on October 16, 2014, 01:12:04 PM ---Hi bob
I don't know if your last post was in response to my post but if it was then I think you misunderstood my comments. Or maybe I am misunderstanding yours.
I was not referring to proselytizing. I was responding to posts by JFK and Nathan which give very impressive, clever and convenient human arguments for why they're not "Christians".
I was noting the fact that the human reasoning behind they're arguments would allow them to claim that they're not "Christians" in the event of a "Christian" holocaust.
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Unlike some people (who out of politeness I won't name) I can provide two scriptures (witnesses) for all my beliefs.
The two Scriptures below came from Ray's "Lake of Fire" group of articles, which would be a good thing for some to read.
In Revelations 1:13, Jesus just walks among the seven lamp stands, the church. He does not rule this church or live with them.
On the other hand, in Revelations 2:13, we find that Satan not only dwells in the church, but his throne is there, he rules the church.
I am not a Christian because I am not a member of the church ruled by Satan.
Also, Jesus said that the many would be deceived. Jesus said His true Church would be only a very few in this age.
So, that is why I am not a Christian, very simple. Also, I do not fear a holocaust, or disease epidemic, or falling sycamore tree ( ;D ) or numerous other things that the simple minded fear.
Jesus is my shield and protector. I fear nothing. He that is for me is greater than anything against me.
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Well... I am simple minded, you'll get no argument from me on that. I am a loser for sure. I wont deny any of that.
lareli:
--- Quote from: Nathan on October 16, 2014, 08:05:10 PM ---
--- Quote ---I don't know if your last post was in response to my post but if it was then I think you misunderstood my comments. Or maybe I am misunderstanding yours.
I was not referring to proselytizing. I was responding to posts by JFK and Nathan which give very impressive, clever and convenient human arguments for why they're not "Christians".
I was noting the fact that the human reasoning behind they're arguments would allow them to claim that they're not "Christians" in the event of a "Christian" holocaust.
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Give two witnesses as to why you call yourself a Christian.
I'm going through the fire now - I could care less about physically dying or being rounded up in a FEMA camp. It's strange that you think that because I don't refer to myself as a "Christian" that I'm doing so to avoid a potential "Christian holocaust". Your fear is palpable.
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I never said that you were trying to avoid a potential Christian holocaust.... All I said was that avoiding a Christian holocaust is a convenience you can enjoy in the event that persecution comes to Christians. I applaud your human reasoning as being very clever and convenient.
Two witnesses? Don't have em. Just like I don't have two witnesses to support why I, as (see what I did there with the word 'as'? ;)) someone who was born in America, refer to myself as an American.
My fear is palpable. Ok. If by fear you mean F.E.A.R Feeling Excited And Ready, then thank you very much.
lareli:
--- Quote from: Nathan on October 11, 2014, 12:41:56 PM ---Once again, if Jesus never called his own disciples "Christians" and the apostles never called each other "Christians", then why would anyone want to use a term that was coined by pagans to describe themselves?
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Pagans coined the term to describe themselves? The pagans coined the term, not to describe themselves but to describe the disciples of Christ.. Per the two witnesses in Acts.
When a Muslim extremist goes through a town in Iraq asking people if they're Christians or not, he is asking whether or not Jesus Christ is the god you worship. That's all he cares about when he asks if you're a Christian. Whether you consider yourself a "called out, chosen, elect" follower of Christ who has nothing to do with worldly Christians or not doesn't matter. But again, you can answer "nope, not me" and avoid persecution. I'm not saying it's wrong Nathan just convenient. You have your reasoning and I don't agree but that doesn't make it wrong. I may be just a simple minded, blind and weak person who doesn't yet understand the deep truths that you do.. You and JFK have been at this for a lot longer then me I'm sure.
John from Kentucky:
Here is a little something from Ray.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4320.0.html
His last sentence is the main reason a few of us here do not call ourselves "Christian".
For the few of you who would be interested, in the index of Ray's emails, there is an entire section on "Church", which may be instructive.
Nathan:
--- Quote ---Pagans coined the term to describe themselves? The pagans coined the term, not to describe themselves but to describe the disciples of Christ.. Per the two witnesses in Acts.
When a Muslim extremist goes through a town in Iraq asking people if they're Christians or not, he is asking whether or not Jesus Christ is the god you worship. That's all he cares about when he asks if you're a Christian. Whether you consider yourself a "called out, chosen, elect" follower of Christ who has nothing to do with worldly Christians or not doesn't matter. But again, you can answer "nope, not me" and avoid persecution. I'm not saying it's wrong Nathan just convenient. You have your reasoning and I don't agree but that doesn't make it wrong. I may be just a simple minded, blind and weak person who doesn't yet understand the deep truths that you do.. You and JFK have been at this for a lot longer then me I'm sure.
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The term was used by pagans as an insult. If you want to use that term to describe yourself, that's fine, but the point I was trying to make was the origin of the term "Christian" was coined by pagans as an insult. That point aside, I do not wish to affiliate myself with Christendom in any way, which is another reason I do not refer to myself as Christian. Regardless, what one calls themselves is irrelevant - all that matters is whether or not ones heart is circumcised, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God (Rom 2:29).
I suffer persecution NOW from many CHRISTIANS, especially those of my own family - my father and brother are both pastors and despise my beliefs. All those who live godly in Christ Jesus suffer persecution (2 Tim 3:12) NOW, yet you keep talking about persecution in future terms, as if to say when the day comes when Christians are persecuted in this country (ie rounded up and slaughtered) you will call yourself a Christian and face persecution even unto death.
I die daily NOW, I am persecuted NOW, I am going through the fire NOW and if and when the day comes that I must die physically at the hand of a persecutor, so be it. All is of God. Your thought process on this topic clearly shows that you are yet carnal - you view persecution only in physical terms, which, by the way, may never come in your/my lifetime, however ALL who live godly in Christ Jesus face persecution - mediate on that.
I don't celebrate Christmas either - am I doing that as well to avoid persecution? I can tell you that I never really faced any type of persecution until I stopped referring to myself as a Christian, stopped believing all of the doctrines of Christendom, stop supporting "Christian politics", stopped supporting "Christian warmongering", stopped hating Muslim and truly came "out of her" (Rev 18:4).
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