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Translated Not to See Death? Ever?
M_Oliver:
--- Quote from: josh on August 08, 2006, 05:42:31 PM ---Are there any other circumstances where someone was "translated" in scripture?
I'm sure this has also been answered before, what about Elijah?
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And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal. (2Ki 2:1)
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (2Ki 2:11)
But this occurred after that. So he did not leave the earth...
And there came a writing to him [Jehoram] from Elijah, the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because, thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah,... (2Ch 21:12)
Mark
PS: I pretty sure H8064 can solidly mean visible heavens, sky so that removes any contradiction with the translation "heaven".
josh:
--- Quote ---And there came a writing to him [Jehoram] from Elijah, the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because, thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah,... (2Ch 21:12)
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Any idea on estimated dates of when Elijah was taken up in the chariot of fire and when he sent the letter to Jehoram?
M_Oliver:
--- Quote from: josh on August 08, 2006, 07:22:23 PM ---
--- Quote ---And there came a writing to him [Jehoram] from Elijah, the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because, thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah,... (2Ch 21:12)
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Any idea on estimated dates of when Elijah was taken up in the chariot of fire and when he sent the letter to Jehoram?
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Taken up...852BC...after Ahaziah [Northern King] died. Jehoram of Judah [Southern King] is who he wrote to. His reign began 848 BC. So at minimum, if he wrote him at the beginning of his reign, it would have been 4 years from the "taking up".
gmik:
hey, good thread Josh. Always wondered that myself. Makes more sense now.
Brett:
--- Quote from: josh on August 08, 2006, 05:12:59 PM ---Ok, In Genesis Enoch is taken by God… this is further expounded upon in Hebrews… By faith Enoch was translated NOT TO SEE DEATH, and was not found, because God did translate him…
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Hi Josh,
I checked the Greek dictionary "TO SEE" death. To see is something to known or what you saw, yet, death in Hades is UNSEEN, UNPERCIEVE, UNKOWLEDGE, etc. So in Heb. 11:5 does not say like "Enoch never death" but something he was not SEE death. So it is impossible for Enoch have knowledge and SEEN in Hades. Again, something he SEE death but not like 'never death'. Enoch can't be better than Jesus because He was DEAD, the Lamb of God before resurrection. So, it seem to me that no one saw him dying or bury him. He was transfering and then later he died without informed their relative. Not sure if I am right. Ray did good response to Tim. It is good idea to ask Ray about what is mean "to see death". I will be interesting of his response.
Brett
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