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Mike Gagne:
Hi Rick! I found these scriptures...And I will give them singleness of heart and put a new spirit within them. I will take away their stony, stubborn heart and give them a tender, responsive heart, so they will obey my decrees and regulations. Then they will truly be my people, and I will be their God. (Ezekiel 11:19-20 NLT)......Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. (Ezekiel 36:25-27 KJV).... It seems to me that in the resurrection God gives us a cleansing, a new heart and a new spirit that causes us to walk in his statutes!! Maybe that's were we could fit in this scripture...Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. (1 Corinthians 15:46 KJV) 😊
Kat:
--- Quote from: Rick on November 03, 2014, 07:04:53 PM ---What we do know about God’s elect is Rom 8:1 There is no condemnation now for those who live in union with Christ Jesus. ???
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Keep reading in in Romans 8 and it explains how/why there is "no condemnation" for the elect in this life, the Spirit of Christ indwelling has given them spiritual Life.
Rom 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
--- Quote from: Rick on November 03, 2014, 07:04:53 PM ---My question is when one of God’s elect dies doesn’t he or she still have carnality residing within them ? So, what does God do at the resurrection to make us completely spiritual?
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Well as long as we are flesh and blood we certainly are subject to the pulls of the carnal flesh... yes the Spirit indwelling is the Helper/Comforter to teach and train and prepare the elect. But there certainly is a tremendous change for the elect at resurrection.
1Cor 15:42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.
v. 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.
v. 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
The elect will be given a "spiritual body" no longer subject to the pulls of the flesh. They will also be "raised in glory," made perfect and become one/united with Christ and the Father and then have the Spirit without measure like Christ does (John 3:34). What a incomprehensible glorious state of being, as Paul put it so well.
1Cor 2:9 But as it is written, "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard," nor has it entered into the heart of man, "the things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
v. 10 But God has revealed them to us by His Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, yea, the deep things of God.
Hi Mike,
Actually I believe that is what happens in this life now for the elect, that is dying to self (1Co 15:31), it is to take on the mind of Christ now.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
Eph 4:22 For you ought to put off the old man (according to your way of living before) who is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts,
v. 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind.
v. 24 And you should put on the new man, who according to God was created in righteousness and true holiness.
And it will be the same process in the next age of dying to self first while in the physical body, that is their second death (Rev 20:6), then and only then will the world learn righteousness.
Isa 26:9 With my soul I have desired You in the night, Yes, by my spirit within me I will seek You early; For when Your judgments are in the earth, The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
rick:
Hello Mike,
Exactly Mike, that’s how I understand it to be, when God gives us a new heart and a new spirit and until then, we are carnal minded.
Thanks Mike for bringing out those scripture,
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them
And I will give them singleness of heart and put a new spirit within them. I will take away their stony, stubborn heart and give them a tender, responsive heart, so they will obey my decrees and regulations.
.Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
These scriptures you brought out are awesome, it only confirms to me what I’ve started to believe from what I been learning here.
I’m not responsible for what I do, I’ve never made an uncaused choice but I am accountable to God for the things I do because I enjoyed the pleasure of them.
I’m a carnal minded person learning wonderful truths of our God because God called me and caused me to learn His truths. In this life I will always have a carnal mind, I pray to God as time passes by my mind becomes less natural and more spiritual,
Like God says, ( A new heart also will I give you ) when God does that for me, I’ll no longer be carnal but spiritual.
Thanks once again Mike, God bless you. :)
Mike Gagne:
Hi Kat! I was thinking that it would be in the ressurection ! I can look back and see how God has changed my heart! And I also see that everyday there are judgements for me, every time I do what is not right I am held accountable! It seems like it will never end. it starts right when I leave the house and doesn't end until I sleep and sometimes He wakes me up and it's starts again! He constantly has my mind on what I am doing wrong! I see the beast in me and I wander does he totally destroy it before I die? Can God totally change my thinking to be Christ like in this life time? I new Paul said he finished his race! LRay said at some point it just stop! I think Paul said that some time after some 17 yrs! I don't recall hearing LRay stating how long it when on for! Well I know there is a process and I believe in my heart that the carnal mind will not inherit the Kingdom of God and that I live in this natural body and it will die and I will get a spiritual body and all the benifits that go with it! I guess that circumcision by Christ will be complete before I die! Thank you Kat your answer always get me thinking! 😀
Mike Gagne:
Hi Rick! I also see what Kat is saying! I used those scriptures because I sometimes think that it is impossible to change my evil heart! But as I look back I can see some fruit of the spirit in me, that is comparing to how I was. Yes sometimes I think it is impossible to change the carnal mind because it is enmity to God, but I have to remember that are God is a cunsuming fire that burns out the carnal mind. Sorry Rick if I have caused confusion, I think what I am saying is that it's hard for me to see God doing this now,because I fall short so often! I guess if I look back then I can see that God has given me a new heart now! I am not the same! Thank God for Lrays teaching us to look back so we can see the spiritual! I see now that yes I am a new creation in Christ! The old me is really being destroyed/cleansed. And I am trying to do His statutes! Well this certainly has help me and I hope it helps Rick God bless you 😊
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