> Off Topic Discussions
Islam
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Ricky on October 18, 2014, 02:20:35 PM ---Is God choosing His elect now, as we go along day by day in life. Or did He chose His elect before He created life for humans.
--- End quote ---
Hi Ricky,
John 15:16 "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you."
John 13:18, "I do not speak of all of you. I know the ones I have chosen..."
Romans 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."
30 "Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."
Eph 1:4-6 "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved."
Eph 1: 11 " In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:"
Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
God has chosen from before the foundatino of the world. He declared the end from the beginning. He has already planned it out who should partake of the election. This is one of those reasons that we are saved by grace through faith and that it is not of our work, it is why none of us may boast, for what have we that we did not receive?
God bless,
Alex
Kat:
--- Quote --- I do believe, and have believed, that we are chosen of God. What I am hesitant to say is that I am the elect or that anyone here is the elect. That over there they are. Go see them there! I feel that if we go that far then we fool ourselves into thinking that we have won the race and then we stand to lose our place in it due to complacency or pride.
--- End quote ---
I say again if somebody is chosen, the Spirit indwelling would not let them be prideful, arrogance or complacent at all, but quite the opposite. It really is a very humbling thing to come to grips with who and what God is. Nor is there glory in this life at all, but a dying to self and the prideful, vain, egotistical person in us... something the carnality of the flesh will always struggle with. Yes there is certainly a peace of mind in realizing the truth that God is everything, but His Spirit in us will keep us striving until we are prepared and ready to serve under Christ in the next age.
Luke 13:23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them,
v. 24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
I really think knowing and serving God is a very different thing than what the world/church think it is. Learning that God deserves all the glory, and we are really nothing of ourselves is totally against the nature of a carnal minded person and their illusion of free will. We can only hope to serve, but learn it is great joy in doing so for a perfect God. God has predetermined who He will have as His elect and will not start a work in them in vain, those He has chosen will not be lost.
John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
v. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
v. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
It's not even a question of saying/boosting you are an elect or you're not, why make that kind of statement anyway? Just do the best you can and have hope.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
Another thought.
I am not Paul. I am a member of his 'audience'--especially as a natural gentile. I believe VERY STRONGLY that Paul taught--both in word and by example--the Gospel of the Kingdom of the Heavens--the same Gospel that Jesus and the other Apostles preached, taught, and lived. He KNEW that he was 'teaching' both the called and the chosen. From where do the chosen come? From those CALLED or INVITED. Did Paul know which was which? He knew they were all called or invited, unless their faith was vanity/by pretense. He knew only by their fruits, and never to judge anything before its time.
Is my faith fake? Am I producing fruit? Of what sort is it? Is that a 'sign' of what I am? Is Jesus finished with His work yet?
Things happen in the fullness of time. Jesus came 'in the fullness of time', and there has never been a more prophesied, foreknown, preordained event in the history of the world than His coming to prepare and gather a Kingdom of the Heavens, a Holy nation, a peculiar people by/through which to judge and bless the whole world--both the living and the dead.
Though He has already done the 'choosing', just as He didn't come until He came, or die before He died--though He was with us from the beginning--we won't see election until we see it. Until then, FAITH and HOPE, and judging ourselves, lest we be judged. Few will.
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: largeli on October 18, 2014, 01:46:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: indianabob on October 17, 2014, 03:40:40 AM ---
I think we all realize that there have been called out and chosen believers in every generation for at least the past 2000 years since Jesus' ascension. Although as you say we don't have a full definition of who they are.
--- End quote ---
MLK Jr, Ghandi, John Lenin, George Harrison, Leo Tolstoy, Bob Marley, Malcolm X... Perhaps.
--- End quote ---
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
rick:
Very interesting as well as informing, I notice when she spoke of the left book and the right book I could not help but to think , its all free will stuff.
I see it as a different various form of Christendom, the do’s and the don’ts but none the less its all up to the believer to get saved. And jihad is just a quicker way to heaven.
I guess the thing with there belief that differs from Christendom is they live for the here after with intensity. ???
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version