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arion:
Nobody can know exactly what they would do unless and until they are in such a situation. We can quote scripture until the cows come home but until your faced with such a situation you really don't know exactly what you would do. Some of us however have been in that sort of situation and it has been removed from the theoretical and into real life as it were. My prayer for all of you is that God will never put you into such a situation that you have to make a split second life/death situation. My further prayer is that if you can't make such a split second decision that God will by his providence put into place someone who can make such a decision. Police officers, even believers are thrust out of the theoretical and into real life on a daily basis.
If you can't/won't defend your family then I hope that someone else will do so for you. All religiosity aside I can't conceive that I could allow my wife to be raped or my children to be ravished while I had the capacity to change the situation. May you do better if you are thrust into such a situation. And to prevent myself from saying something I might later regret this will be my last posting on this particular thread, This sort of thing is real life ladies and gentlemen....and perhaps real soon to be something we might have to deal with considering the situation in this country. I will defend the helpless and innocent while breath remains in my body and if God gives me the means to do so. With that being said I need to withdraw from this thread lest I utter words I may later regret. Cowardice in the face of adversity is something I can't whitewash over with scripture quotes.
For myself...yes. My life doesn't mean very much. But for the sake of innocent or children that have not yet had a chance to live then that is different. I would gladly give my life for such and even for those who deal in the theoretical and have not had real life experiences slap them up against the head. Best for you to pray that God never puts you into such a dilemma. You might think now that you would know in advance how you would react. May I say that until you have been there you simply don't know....and I'll leave it at that.
Peace......
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Arion on November 09, 2014, 04:47:59 PM ---Nobody can know exactly what they would do unless and until they are in such a situation. We can quote scripture until the cows come home but until your faced with such a situation you really don't know exactly what you would do. Some of us however have been in that sort of situation and it has been removed from the theoretical and into real life as it were. My prayer for all of you is that God will never put you into such a situation that you have to make a split second life/death situation. My further prayer is that if you can't make such a split second decision that God will by his providence put into place someone who can make such a decision. Police officers, even believers are thrust out of the theoretical and into real life on a daily basis.
If you can't/won't defend your family then I hope that someone else will do so for you. All religiosity aside I can't conceive that I could allow my wife to be raped or my children to be ravished while I had the capacity to change the situation. May you do better if you are thrust into such a situation. And to prevent myself from saying something I might later regret this will be my last posting on this particular thread, This sort of thing is real life ladies and gentlemen....and perhaps real soon to be something we might have to deal with considering the situation in this country. I will defend the helpless and innocent while breath remains in my body and if God gives me the means to do so. With that being said I need to withdraw from this thread lest I utter words I may later regret. Cowardice in the face of adversity is something I can't whitewash over with scripture quotes.
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This statement is striking. Is our faith somehow less real than the situation you described? Is God less real? Trusting in Him is an act of cowardice? Ouch...
You are absolutely right Arion that none of us can know with certainty how we will react, only God, but as Kat said, it helps us to know how we should act so that we might strive closer to God. None of us are saying that anyone who has acted differently is somehow less than the rest because in the end only God can give us the power to do right in His eyes during such a situation. We know that without Him we can do nothing. We are all far from being perfect and upright. It takes the power of God to do good and to walk in His ways and that includes in situations as evil and terrifying as the ones you described. No one is saying anything less. We have no free will in the matter.
As brothers and sisters, we should pray for one another, that God keep us from such an evil day and that he make safe the path that leads to Him.
My post was never meant to offend you but to edify the brethren and strengthen us in the Lord that we might seek Him and, by His grace and mercy, walk after Him.
God bless,
Alex
rick:
Hello Arion,
why get so hot with anger ? All who use scripture are well versed in scripture but as you must realize knowing scripture and living scripture are not one in the same.
But one can not live scripture unless they know scripture and one cannot live scripture unless God intends for them to live it out in their life . ( The chosen only )
Wisdom tells me your absolutely right , until anyone is confronted with any situation, one does not know how they will respond / react until that precise moment.
The carnal mind is a strange thing to behold, who can know it or the works there of, for it in its self is a slave to sin not righteousness. :(
indianabob:
Dear friends in the family of God,
I'm sure that I cannot provide any better answer than has been given, but I would like to add a couple of thoughts for your consideration.
I have been a police officer and presently have an Army .45 in my possession. I know how to use it and have thought deeply whether I ever would kill in defense of myself and my neighbors.
So since I'm just as likely as anyone to "react" to a situation that I had not anticipated I have decided (partly) to do my best to avoid that difficult choice.
I plan to pray every night as I prepare for sleep that God will not test me in any manner for which I am not prepared. I pray that God will protect my family and neighbors too and spiritually cloud the eyes of any who would intend to do us harm.
Now then the question is; can I trust that God will do what is best for my situation? I think yes, but that trust is a faith that doesn't come easily or quickly and I have struggled with wondering what my conduct will be if tested.
I just try to keep in mind that God can, and I pray will grant me the protection of just one of His holy angels to intervene and watch over us and to "inspire" me to trust that whatever happens it is God's will.
I also keep in mind that God does NOT test us above what we are able to handle.
God put a "hedge" around JOB and all that was his.
There are many examples in scripture such as that of Abraham's sacrifice of his only son Isaac that are provided to guide us. Or do we think that God is not as concerned with EACH of us as much as God was with Abraham?
I assure you that God is personally concerned, through God's son the Lord Jesus, in the development of the least of us. AND that gives me the comfort that I need.
Respectfully offered, indiana bob
Rinus:
Absolutely true! One does not know how they will respond/react until that precise moment. But thank God he didn't leave us in the dark, cos he has told us how to respond/react when these situations come to us.
These commands are difficult guys. I'm reminded of Ray's words when he said:"Being saved is the MOST DIFFICULT thing all human beings will ever go through." So judging by those words we can be sure that these ARROWS of God will strike all those who have been chosen. These the same arrows that struck Job, the same arrows that struck Paul,Jacob,L Ray Smith,King David,Samson just to name a few.
God has not kept us in the dark but has kept us in his light on how to live our lives and act when these situations come. I just hope and pray that we don't loose heart when these trials/mountains/situations/arrows/judgements are thrown in our path.
Remember brothers and sisters! These same mountains are going to make us rich.
I pray that God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ will be good to you all and give you peace!
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