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144.000 ?
Kat:
Hi Mike,
I think most of us spent so many years in the church and seeing them teach the literalness in all the Scripture, so that's how we were trained to see it and it takes time to un-train that way of thinking. They take everything that the Scripture says literally and says it's spiritual, no, the literal words are pointing to a higher spiritual meaning. God has made the truth a mystery, hidden in plain sight, so that "seeing they do not see." The spiritual meaning is not obvious, it is not what the literal symbols are, that only point to the real spirit in/behind the words.
So 144,000 literally is a large number, but it has meaning behind the literal number
12 = God’s government - 12x12 = complete - x1000 = all the chosen
Does that make sense? I don't think it means that literal number of people anymore than New Jerusalem is a literal city or we are literal sheep or when Christ appears He will be sitting on a literal white horse and on and on. You have to kind of need to train yourself to look for the meaning behind the word/symbol now.
Hope that is helpful.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Mike Gagne:
I seen today it isn't about the 144.000 why Jesus had me start this thread! I had to remove my last response, I was keeping records of things people said in this string as wrongs against me! Love keeps no records of wrongs. This thread is really about my carnal Heart and the work Jesus is doing to circumcise it until it is just Christ! If I have offended any one forgive me! I wasn't and still ain't really all that concerned about the number, the number isn't the point I see now, it's the heart! All the knowledge in the world doesn't mean anything if my heart isn't being circumzied!! I know what the lake of fire is! Thank you all for your great response's!
rick:
Hello Mike,
what is fascinating to me from what I've learned is that I cannot learn anything about God until God's appointed time,
EC 3:1 Everything that happens in this world happens at the time God chooses.
This includes our understanding, when we learn the meaning of symbolism.
Last night while driving down the road I had passed a telephone pole and I, at that moment, realized I passed that pole at the appointed time I was suppose to pass it. Mind blowing isn't it?
God is cool in every way, He is totally awesome in that nothing happens until the appointed time in the appointed season.
God bless. :)
Mike Gagne:
So true Rick! It is in His time, for it is God which worketh in us both to will and do of His good pleasure! And there is a time appointed for everything!
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: Mike Gagne on October 29, 2014, 09:54:05 AM --- I seen today it isn't about the 144.000 why Jesus had me start this thread! I had to remove my last response, I was keeping records of things people said in this string as wrongs against me! Love keeps no records of wrongs. This thread is really about my carnal Heart and the work Jesus is doing to circumcise it until it is just Christ! If I have offended any one forgive me! I wasn't and still ain't really all that concerned about the number, the number isn't the point I see now, it's the heart! All the knowledge in the world doesn't mean anything if my heart isn't being circumzied!! I know what the lake of fire is! Thank you all for your great response's!
--- End quote ---
;D
"heart being circumcised"...circumcision without hands...that's spiritual. "I know what the Lake of Fire is." That's spiritual.
The spiritual is what's real. Real life.
His words are not just spiritual, but they are LIFE. I'm glad to see you living this life right here through the sometimes too dark window of this internet thingamajig.
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