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thewatchman:
If the number was literal than we would all miss out because I presume that none of us are jews. 12000 from each tribe and that's it? No gentiles? Why were we grafted into the vine then? 12 is the number of divine government. 12 x 12 = 144 enhances the point being made. The way to become a part of the elect was predestined for all of us. The destination of election is the goal. Not a part prize, not 2nd or 3rd place, but as we all die to the flesh then the more of Christ within us our hope of glory. We need to grow up into the head which is Christ. That is what makes one elect. We make our calling and election sure by submitting to the corrective process of dying to the flesh through suffering, just as Christ learned and grew in favour through obedience in the things that he suffered.
Hands to the plow my brothers and sisters....the road is a narrow one.  8)

Mike Gagne:
The elect are the true Jews! ....And if the Gentiles obey God’s law, won’t God declare them to be his own people? In fact, uncircumcised Gentiles who keep God’s law will condemn you Jews who are circumcised and possess God’s law but don’t obey it. For you are not a true Jew just because you were born of Jewish parents or because you have gone through the ceremony of circumcision. No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by the Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people. (Romans‬ 2‬:26-29‬ NLT)...In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: (Colossians‬ 2‬:11‬ KJV)... We don't do this work! This is the work of the lake of fire and that's Christ! And everyday I go through this fire!! And I pray for His will to be done, His work to be done in my life... Just thought I would share that!  Thanks...

lilitalienboi16:

--- Quote from: thewatchman on October 30, 2014, 07:39:30 PM ---If the number was literal than we would all miss out because I presume that none of us are jews. 12000 from each tribe and that's it? No gentiles? Why were we grafted into the vine then? 12 is the number of divine government. 12 x 12 = 144 enhances the point being made. The way to become a part of the elect was predestined for all of us. The destination of election is the goal. Not a part prize, not 2nd or 3rd place, but as we all die to the flesh then the more of Christ within us our hope of glory. We need to grow up into the head which is Christ. That is what makes one elect. We make our calling and election sure by submitting to the corrective process of dying to the flesh through suffering, just as Christ learned and grew in favour through obedience in the things that he suffered.
Hands to the plow my brothers and sisters....the road is a narrow one.  8)

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Hi watchmen,

Good admonishing, just a small comment though.

We are the Isreal of God and those tribes represent us.

Romans 9:6-8 "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Romans 2:28-29 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

1 Peter 2:9-10 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy."

We are the Jews.

God bless,
Alex

Mike Gagne:
When you read LRays lake of fire, it's seems to me that there is a whole lot more to becoming a true Jew, like a life time of processing  rather then just quoting scriptures before you are ready! First the natural, then the spiritual or the birth of the true Jew! When you think your in a process that's fine, but when you read Lrays teachings and the scriptures that say you can also lose this position it might be wise to consider who we think we are!... So if you think you are standing firm,be careful that you don't fall!!  Lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified. I see what's happening in my life and I know what process I am going through and when Gods done his work in me let Him call me a true Jew, that's Christ!! 😀

PaulJayyyy:
Can numbers be symbols or are they numbers?  John LOOKED and SAW 144000, the scriptures do not say he looked and saw 144000 which signifies the body of Christ.  I have never heard of or seen in scripture anywhere the symbolic value or representation of that number.  Any thoughts for feedback? :)

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