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lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Rick on November 21, 2014, 09:09:53 PM ---Hi Kat also everyone else too.
What I was thinking was, when Jesus was going through His earthly ministry He had the mind of God, Jesus did not have a carnal mind as I /we do.
So when I知 tempted or anyone else is tempted it would not be the same for Jesus. Jesus is God and God cannot be tempted.
I agree that for the first time Jesus who is God had experience for the first time what it felt like to be hungry as we do or what pain felt like as we do.
The bible says God cannot be tempted and Jesus is God, I believe Jesus could not have know what its like to be human until He took on the form of flesh as we are. But can Jesus identified with everything that we flesh and blood human beings go through?
How about lust ? Was God tempted with lust but overcame it, was He tempted in the way I am tested with lust as a man who has a carnal mind ?
I知 not saying Jesus/ God does not love us, He die for us to prove His love for us, I understand that.
I am carnal and can be tempted but when I知 spiritual I would hope its different and I cannot be tempted by anything. ::)
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Hi Rick, John put it very plainly and straight to the point and I think he has the whole of it. Kat covered a lot of the scriptures already too which fit very nicely with what John stated.
I Just wanted to add this verse of scripture because I believe its pertinent to this discussion too.
Its not possible to kill God since He has immortality but Christ died and was dead. Its not possible for God to be tempted, but, Christ emptied Himself of His divinity and took on the form of a man, the likeness of mankind, so that these things could be accomplished.
Php 2:5 For let this mind be in you, which is in Christ Jesus also,
Php 2:6 Who, being inherently in the form of God, deems it not pillaging to be equal with God,
Php 2:7 nevertheless empties Himself, taking the form of a slave, coming to be in the likeness of humanity,
Php 2:8 and, being found in fashion as a human, He humbles Himself, becoming obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
Php 2:9 Wherefore, also, God highly exalts Him, and graces Him with the name that is above every name,
Christ could not succumb to the temptations of the flesh as He did have the spirit without measure. God's grace, that is, divine influence upon His heart.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
God bless,
Alex
P.S. Ray once said, somewhere, in an audio or writting, that being tempted is not a sin. Wish I knew where that was because it might be relevant to this discussion.
Kat:
Hi Rick,
Heb 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
This verse plainly states that Jesus was tempted as we are, but just because He was not carnal - "enmity to God," does not mean therefore He cannot really relate to what we are going through. He was fully in this world, totally immersed in it, He had lots of firsthand experience with the carnal world, He saw it up close and personal everyday of His life on earth. No He was not carnal, but He had carnality rubbed in His face enough to be well acquainted with it.
James 1:13 If we are tempted by such trials, we must not say, "This temptation comes from God." For God cannot be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one. (GNB)
Think of the meaning here, the mind of God cannot be swayed to do evil, even when Satan presented temptations to Christ. This should give us great confident to know that the perfect righteousness of God can never be influenced to do wrong/sin. The difference in the mind of God and the carnal mind is expressed in the next verses in James.
v. 14 But we are tempted when we are drawn away and trapped by our own evil desires.
v. 15 Then our evil desires conceive and give birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
We need to believe that Jesus is very much aware of what it is like for us and certainly does indeed help us in every way.
Heb 2:14 Inasmuch then as the children (believers) have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same...
Heb 2:17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
v. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
rick:
Guess one can become sidetracked every now and then. Yes, I do see how Christ can identify with our weakness.
I find myself getting sucked into this I知 responsible for my actions but then remembering I知 not responsible only accountable.
God is responsible for all things according to His council that brings about all things, one needs to stay focuses on the sovereignty of God to understand they cannot be responsible for anything in their life, only accountable are we.
I know God works all things according to His council for His pleasure and will for everyone痴 life and knowing Jesus can identify with our weakness and can and will see us through our trials and tribulations makes a world of difference to the believer who has been given faith in our high priest Jesus.
I like to think of myself as being in a constant state of checkmate by God our creator which I believe everyone is, there is nothing in heaven or earth that has not been ordained by God including me a vessel being fashioned in the image of God like everyone else.
I have again finished reading the letter Ray had sent to Dr. James Kennedy, and cannot help to feel humble by its truths and the sovereignty of our God, Christ isn稚 a way of life for me the believer He is my life, everything depends on the council of God and nothing outside of the council of God could ever take place and so for this cause do I have complete confidence in God for my life as well as my salvation, praise be to God Who is most worthy of praise and honor. :)
Craig:
If a post was moved or deleted for some reason a moderator will let you know by pm or in the thread itself. If you were not notified then I would say there was a mistake on your ent.
Craig
theophilus:
So, this means that God didn't know what it was to be one of his own creations. He came to know through the experience of Christ. I always believed He knew EVERYTHING! So, I suppose God doesn't know what it is to be a dolphin or an elephant??? What happened to the ALL-KNOWING attribute?
Respectfully submitted.
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