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All sin leads to death and...
Mike Gagne:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on November 24, 2014, 04:55:44 PM ---Great addition rick!
Yes, the second death, the lake of fire. That brings it full circle in my humble opinion. To sin a sin to death is to become subject to the second death which we know those who overcome will have no part in. In my opinion, this all harmonizes nicely together; However, I am totally open to more input but I think you added some great food for thought rick.
As you pointed out, its not possible for the elect to be deceived or end up in the lake of fire ("sin a sin that leads to death") but you have to remember that we ourselves do not know who the elect are so from our perspective all these admonishments must be taken seriously
God bless,
Alex
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its not possible for the elect to end up in the lake of fire! I guess they won't be that elect if their still as carnal as hell , lol Alex ya better go back and read the lake of fire series, I don't think that's what LRay teaches!!! But if you are the elect it probably gets pretty hot some times!! In Christ Mike
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Mike Gagne on November 24, 2014, 09:13:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on November 24, 2014, 04:55:44 PM ---Great addition rick!
Yes, the second death, the lake of fire. That brings it full circle in my humble opinion. To sin a sin to death is to become subject to the second death which we know those who overcome will have no part in. In my opinion, this all harmonizes nicely together; However, I am totally open to more input but I think you added some great food for thought rick.
As you pointed out, its not possible for the elect to be deceived or end up in the lake of fire ("sin a sin that leads to death") but you have to remember that we ourselves do not know who the elect are so from our perspective all these admonishments must be taken seriously
God bless,
Alex
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its not possible for the elect to end up in the lake of fire! I guess they won't be that elect if their still as carnal as hell , lol Alex ya better go back and read the lake of fire series, I don't think that's what LRay teaches!!! But if you are the elect it probably gets pretty hot some times!! In Christ Mike
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If for some reason I have overstepped my bounds then I believe the moderators would be kind enough to inform me. If I contradicted anything ray said or the scriptures then the mods are here to give the warning. Perhaps it is you, mike, who should return to the series and read again. You have offered no witnesses to your claims and nothing from ray. What I said does not contradict what the scriptures say. The elect will not have take part in the lake of fire which is the second death.
Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
The elect are those who overcome.
Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Ephesians 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcomethwill I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Luke 13:23-24 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Matthew 22:14 "For many are called, but few are chosen."
They will not be hurt by the second death.
Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall NOT be hurt of the second death.
The elect will have already been judged by the time the world is judged at the great white throne of judgement where the lake of fire will consume them and the elect will be apart of this process in judging the world and ruling with Christ.
Revelation 20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
In Christ,
Alex
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Kat on November 24, 2014, 08:34:14 PM ---
Okay I believe these Scripture are additional witnesses, that show that the believers are to help one another if we see somebody needs help in understanding.
James 5:19 My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back,
v. 20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.
This makes it clear that we should help another brother/believer who we think is being drawn astray into falsehood. This is the same thing that the Scripture in 1 John is speaking of, I will put my comments in brackets.
1John 5:16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin (an error/sin, but not so grave as to have lead them totally astray yet, so...) which does not lead to (spiritual) death (in this lifetime), he will ask (pray to God and if it's according to His will), and He will give him life (return that one to a right understanding) for those who commit sin not leading to (spiritual) death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that.
Now this is speaking of a "brother," or somebody that believes these truth... but are all brothers/believers elect? What I mean is does everybody that starts out and shares this understanding of the truth go on to be faithful to the end and are actually an elect? What about the wheat and the tare? They go all the way to the end among the elect (and even appear to be elect) before they are separated (Matt 13). Now there is also Scripture that speaks of somebody who is "enlightened," yet do "fall away" and that cannot be brought back to the truth in this lifetime, or as it's put at the end of 1John 5:16 "...there is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that."
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
v. 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
v. 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
Now this seems to be speaking of those that do receive and even embrace this truth, but do not continue in it for one reason or another... makes me think of the parable of the sower and the seed.
Luke 8:11 "Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
v. 12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
v. 13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.
v. 14 Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity.
v. 15 But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience.
Hope that is helpful.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Very good addition kat as well. I think your post and rick's reminder of the second death really brought everything together for me.
God bless,
Alex
rick:
I personally don’t see any important’s of worrying about anything in this life. The creation is not responsible for its self in any way, one has no say or control over their own life. If anyone feels differently and thinks they can control their life, then they have denied the very sovereignty of God, who they say they believe in.
If we have spiritual understanding, if we do anything that is honorable or that is good or that is right in God’s sight it is only by the grace of God we are able to do these things. All good things come from God and from God only. All honor and praise belong to our creator we call God who is our heavenly Father.
There is not a person alive or that ever lived or ever will live that would not commit that sin which leads to death, we know this because scripture tells us this, when it says.
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, There is none that seeketh after God;
Rom 3:12 They have all turned aside, they are together become unprofitable; There is non that doeth good, no, not, so much as one.
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood;
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
It is Gods choice, it is the council of God and all His declaration that will come to pass in each and everyone’s life.
What are His plans for your life and for my life ? If one commits the sin that leads to death, it must be understood that they made the only choice possible at that precise moment in time where thousands of circumstances caused that one to choose death over life which God is the cause of all things in heaven and earth.
No one can commit suicide until God says so, no one can do anything on their own, man does not direct his own footsteps , and all footsteps lead us to do the things we do.
If one believes in God then one has to believe in the complete sovereignty of God, or the truth is not in that one. And we know that we worship God in spirit and in truth. :)
Mike Gagne:
Well Alex read away! ...Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? (Jeremiah 23:29 KJV)...And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God. (Zechariah 13:9 KJV).....That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: (1 Peter 1:7 KJV)....Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: (1 Peter 4:12 KJV)... Now alex this one you really have to understand that every mans work, means every mans work!!!...Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (1 Corinthians 3:13-15 KJV)... Now this will take some spiritual discernment, to know which lake of fire you are in or going to be in!! But the natural man receives not the things of the spirit for they are foolishness to him,neither can he know , because they are spiritually discerned.... In Christ Mike
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