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rick:

--- Quote from: Ian 155 on December 15, 2014, 11:47:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: Gina on December 15, 2014, 02:44:00 PM ---
--- Quote ---From these different views of the word, it will be very easy to learn, that the name of adversary is indiscriminately given to all persons who are in a state of controversy with each other, whether good or evil.
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Hi, Ian

It is as if to say that the controversial things that Jesus did before, during and after His earthly ministry, would cause some to indiscriminately classify Him as Satan the liar and stealer of joy. 

The Pharisees accused Jesus of doing works through the help of Beelzebub, which is blasphemy -- for which people who commit that sin will not receive forgiveness in this age or in the age to come.  I could pull more than a few emails where Ray warned some of his detractors that they were bordering on blasphemy -- by calling that which is good (or the works of God) evil, if you really want to see them.

But if you want my honest opinion, I don't see the fruitfulness in discussing it further.  What more can be said that hasn't already been said?

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JFK.... not sure if i asked "what you actually care about",

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Hello Ian,

Concerning J from K, as much as I can tell,  he cares about the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. That’s a great attribute to this website you know.  ;)

Dennis Vogel:

--- Quote ---Concerning J from K, as much as I can tell,  he cares about the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. That’s a great attribute to this website you know.  ;)
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Agree

Farlsborough:
Come on guys, I think you're being a little unfair on Ian! In the talks I have heard Ray regularly used external sources and quotations to explore an issue or explain a point, whether on free will, space and creation etc...

None of you presumably turned round to him and said "why should I care what XYZ says?" It's the nature of discussion, and surely if you're  not interested, you can just not participate? If we're not going to use this forum to explore avenues of inquiry we started down with Ray's teaching (which may sometimes involve insights from other sources), what's the point?!  :-\

rick:

--- Quote from: Farlsborough on December 18, 2014, 05:30:11 AM ---Come on guys, I think you're being a little unfair on Ian!

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Hello Farlsborough,

My statement referred only to the question Ian ask J from K which was ( what you actually care about ) I made no reference about what XYZ said. That’s a different subject altogether.

I’m confused as to why you think I’m being unfair to Ian.

Ray also said ( what virtue do you have that did not require overcoming some form of evil ?

Patience is a virtue but one cannot learn patience lying on a beach in the Bahamas drinking pina colada’s on a sunny day.

lderr:
Who is this XYZ, and where can I get his books?  He sounds interesting! ;D

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