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rick:
Hello Alex,


[Ray Replies]

Dear New Friend!

Thank you for sharing you God-changing experience with us. I can say "ditto" to your whole message. We will do right when God decides that we will do right.


That’s what I’m talking about.

Kat:

Hi Rick, I hope you do not consider that my comments are argumentative, as I can see your perspective, I'm trying to figure out a way to get across my own perspective. I think we all came here with a question or 2, I see that as a means that God used to initially stir us up to seek, but little did we know what He had in store for us once we got to BT. Maybe we cannot even recognize the Spirit indwelling at first, but it takes growth and maturity before it become more obvious.

This comment that you highlighted from Ray,  "We will do right when God decides that we will do right," that is so very true... but it is not like we are sitting around waiting for God to show/reveal to us what is the right thing for us to do... that almost seems to be what you are saying. It just seems to me that we have continued along in this life doing the best we can, and only now is it with the Spirit indwelling to help us and it's usually only later when we look back that we see where God has led us... but it's not until we understand the truth do we actually realize that God is working out everything in our life. But that the way it has been all of our life whether we knew it or not... God had already determined what parents we would be born to... God had already determined what our teenage years would be like... who we would marry... what job we would have... where we would live (for me it has been away from family and the friends I grew up with).

But everything that happened was the path we had to walk, BUT we didn't know what any of it would be, and I don't believe any of us ever stopped and waited for God to show us what to do next... no we seem to make our own decisions/choices that determined our lives. That exactly why free will is such an easy concept to believe. And so it is this way, though God is sovereign and totally in control, we just do not wait on God (pray without ceasing, yes of course) but God does not expect us to wait for a sign from Him or something like that. But He is certainly doing the work in us, but it's almost entirely without our being aware of what He is doing.

Maybe we are basically saying the same thing, but using a different way of saying it... and then again maybe all this discussion will help somebody else. It's just nice to be able to discuss these things in a civil manner with somebody like minded.

mercy, peace and love
Kat




 

Gina:
Jesus said to strive (or struggle) to enter in through the strait gate.  Isn't that strait gate His rest?  Doesn't that require us to lay aside our own will which  takes great strength and a tremendous amount of effort? 

Isn't that why the many have no peace or rest day or night because they are attempting to do the impossible:  enter into their rest by pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps?

rick:
Hi Kat,

I never viewed any of your comments towards me as argumentative but if anything, helpful. Its as you say, its so easy to believe in free will, isn’t it, you know, to come and go as we please and do what ever we want when ever we want, for we are our own gods declaring what will be.

In fact, it was this very illusion that is so deceptive of having free will that has cause me so much grief and bewilderment in my life.

When it comes to sin / sinning, I have found so much agony thinking there is something horribly wrong with me, why would anyone in their right mind believing in Hell and all that it entails ever sin even one sin? And no mater what I did or thought I could not use my free will to stop me from sinning and going to such a horrible place call Hell.

Today I know instinctively I do not have free will, its only a myth and nothing more, everything I’ve done in the course of my life, God was always behind it, whatever I done it was God’s intention for me to do including ever choice I made as well although God is responsible I remain accountable because I enjoyed every sin I sinned .

These days sin is more of a drag not so enjoyable, more like bondage if anything, wanting to walk away but getting entangled by it.

Whatever I’m doing is always God’s intention, I cannot elude God’s intention anymore than I could or can elude sin. Each day brings more hatred for this life I live, I don’t love my life, I find nothing desirable about my life anymore, its repulsive to me in that even death I could welcome with open arms.

I also know I must go through all this madness as disgusting as it is because its God’s intention for me, and all this I go through, I say nothing back to my God.

I don’t like to say I me mine much anymore, in fact I would like to not know me, I prefer to be someone else but then I would discover maybe they are worst off than me. You know the old saying ( better to live with the devil you know than the one you don’t )

Its not possible for anyone to sit back and do nothing unless its God’s intention but what’s the likelihood of that being the case.

 
What I understand is that God has me box in, if I look up God is there or down God is there or to the left or right God is there He is outside of me and in me but my five senses cannot detect God even though I am His workmanship.

I don’t think it possible to sit back because, (  To every thing there is a season and a time to every purpose under the heaven. )

Ricky:
Rick, when I pretend to myself that I have Free Will, I sin less. And so I like that.   ;D

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