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Resurrection of the dead in Matthew 27?
Gina:
Dear Kat,
I'm not saying I have it all together, and I'm not trying to put anyone down, but a knowledge of verses and scripture will not give us understanding. These things are spiritually discerned.
I don't want to argue. Really. But I do not believe that God's purpose change from one age to the next. God changes not, and neither does his intention. It is what it has always been: To write His laws on the hearts and minds of everyone.
All I said was, And if they're literally INSIDE clouds [which is how as you see it], how can their enemies literally see them? That's all I said. I wasn't insinuating that they couldn't be seen at all. Obviously their enemies can see them, which proves these are not literal clouds that they are inside of.
This is absolutely exhausting. I don't have the time or the inclination to sit here and spell things out -- that is not my job. These things are spiritually discerned. Arguing about these things with you is definitely not The New Jerusalem -- it's the spirit of the world. I'm sorry I said anything. I'll be quiet.
Kat:
Hi Gina, we have these discussions to learn from one another, that's the purpose of this forum. If I have offended you it was not my intention.
I was not saying that God had changed His mind, not at all... the next age was always meant to be a time of judgment on the world, this age is not, that's a big difference and that is what I was pointing out.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Addison:
Thank you everybody. I am in agreement with you all for the most part but I just wanted to check to get some perspectives from you all too. I believe those who were resurrected were raised simply as a witness of Jesus' resurrection.
I agree that the "first resurrection" (Rev. 20) is not the same raising of the dead as Matt 27. And I do not believe that these were any of the OT saints. Only through those God elected as Saints to reign with Him would they be made perfect and given their ultimate reward (life), correct?
Hebrews 11:39-40 "These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.
Thanks again!
-Addison
Gina:
Hi Addison:
--- Quote ---Only through those God elected as Saints to reign with Him would they be made perfect and given their ultimate reward (life), correct?
--- End quote ---
Hebrews says that only together with [not through] them would they be made perfect.
Hebrews 11:39-40 "These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.
Imagine being Paul and coming into contact for the first time with one of those patriarchs he wrote to the Hebrews about. I imagine what their reactions will be at that first meeting, and what their first words would be. "Good to meet you, too! Yeah, God had something better planned. I don't know about you but that was the best sleep I have ever had in my life! I didn't wake up once! The lentil soup here is outta this world. The 3D printer makes it from scratch. Glory to God. :)"
Dave in Tenn:
I've removed a post which was 'teaching'.
Here's Hebrews 11:40 in several translations.
Hebrews 11:40
(ABP+) G3588 [3of GodG2316 4forG4012 5usG1473 2something betterG2908 G5100 1having foreseen],G4265 thatG2443 [2notG3361 4separate fromG5565 5usG1473 1they should 3be perfected].G5048
(BBE) Because God had kept some better thing for us, so that it was not possible for them to become complete without us.
(Darby) God having foreseen some better thing for us, that they should not be made perfect without us.
DRB) God providing some better thing for us, that they should not be perfected without us.
(KJV) God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
(LEB) because God had provided something better for us, so that they would not be made perfect without us.
(LITV) God having foreseen something better concerning us, that they should not be perfected apart from us.
(Murdock) because God had provided the aid for us; so that without us they should not be perfected.
(WNT) for God had provided for them and us something better, so that apart from us they were not to attain to full blessedness.
(YLT) God for us something better having provided, that apart from us they might not be made perfect.
To match, since this scripture is not its own interpretation:
1Co_6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
This is what Ray taught, as best I have been able to follow. Tomorrow I'll locate a portion of BT to share if nobody else does, but tonight I am whooped.
What I have consistently failed to understand whenever the topic of the OT saints not being first comes up is: WHY IS THIS BAD NEWS?
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