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Dennis Vogel:
I heard Ray say that Jesus did not empty Himself entirely recently on an audio.
lilitalienboi16:
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Specifically I misspoke in the last thread and Rene pointed that out. Ray nor the scriptures never specifically state Christ emptied Himself of His "divinity" and neither should I. Bad choice of word!
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Alex,
I found a place where Ray actually stated that Jesus emptied himself of His divinity. This was stated back at the Mobile 06 bible conference. Here is his statement:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3720.0.html
"He was God and He emptied Himself of all His power and glory and majesty and divinity. So He could be made and fashioned into a man, so He could die."
But also in the same bible study, Ray made this comment as well:
"Only God is to be worshipped, the leper came and worshipped Him (Matt. 8:2), the chief, worships Him (Mat. 9:18), and the woman came and worships Him (Matt 15:25). Rev 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega … the Almighty." That’s Christ, God. “And the Word was God,” (John 1:1) Thomas said, when he felt the holes in Christ’s body, "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28). Christ did not correct Him."
More yet to be learned.
René
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Thank you for finding that Rene. I think what Dennis said is important too.
God bless,
Alex
Kat:
Yes Ray has many articles and that gives us much to consider, but he would have been learning through the years as he studied, and the Scripture are still revealing things for sure.
Here is a comment Ray made at the "Is Jesus God" bible study in March of 2011.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,12896.0.html --------
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, BUT HE (what?)… that came down from heaven,
"He that came down He ascended up to heaven. He was not dead yet, this was BEFORE the resurrection! This was in His ministry. So here is a Scripture that says , He went to heaven before He died or His resurrection. He came down from heaven and He said the same one that came down, that’s the One that ascended up! Most people read over that, but it is there, it does say it."
"See I don’t think He emptied Himself of everything that was, all knowledge everything. I don’t think so. [Comment: Maybe He emptied Himself of something.] Yes He did, of course He did. He emptied Himself of some prior glory that He had."
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Here are a couple more Scripture that certainly show He still have some glory as a human.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 2:11 This beginning of signs Jesus did in Cana of Galilee, and manifested His glory; and His disciples believed in Him.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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