> Introductions, Announcements, and More of Ray's Teachings
Hi Everyone
DEJI:
Thanks Rene.@ walt123, my full name is Adedeji, its a yoruba name.
lurquer:
--- Quote from: DEJI on January 25, 2015, 12:11:43 PM --- I tried to convince my friends and other people I knew who had been "Christians" and been studying the bible for a long time but none of them ever came to see the truth, at this time, I still believed that I and all mankind possessed free will that was somewhat subjected to God. On delving further into the bible-truths.com website, I realized there I had no free will and that in fact, none of my "christian" friends will ever be convinced solely on the basis of whatever i tell them or what ever scripture I point them to unless God decides to drag them to him as he had dragged me. At this point, I realized to my horror that i was alone ! There was nobody I could discuss with, they were all sold out on these false teachers peddling heresies.So here I am on forums.bible-truths.com.I hope I haven't rambled too much
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Hi Deji,
I'm new here too, but I found Bible-Truths many years ago. I have to say, as you noted above, the one thing that really baffled me the most (at first) was the fact that what I thought was a great and marvelous truth, was utterly rejected by ALL my Christian family/friends. And continues to this day. I understand God has a plan and in HIS timing, "all will come to the knowledge of the truth". But it was hard at first to accept that. Truly it proves God is sovereign and does indeed blind most to the truth. For now.
I still don't get why people love hell so much though. I never got that, even when I "believed" in it. I just hated the doctrine and hated discussing it. I just couldn't understand it. We truly are in the Matrix, and only God can set us free.
Nevertheless, you're not alone. God has his Remnant. Some participate in forums, some just read and study. And I am sure the Lord has many also who He's taught these truths and who have never even heard of Ray. But he surely has used Ray to reach many, and I am very grateful for that, because he indeed opened my eyes.
Michael (formerly "Lurquer" 8))
DEJI:
Thanks Mike. I can't help but pity them. When I told my mother that I had stopped attending church, even after giving her my very good reasons, she couldn't just understand, she kept trying to convince me. One of the ministers in the last church I attended before quitting church attendance happens to be my neighbor. I explained to him that I stopped attending his church due to their belief in eternal torment for sinners. I tried to prove to him the errors in that belief, I was so surprised to see how unreasonable and illogical he became, he began to talk like an illiterate, it was so frustrating. I can't wait for God to reconcile all mankind to himself
Extol:
--- Quote from: Neo on January 25, 2015, 02:45:02 PM ---
I still don't get why people love hell so much though.
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Hey Michael,
Ray briefly touched on this in his January 2007 Free Will Bible study:
Now here we get down to an ethical point, that I think is quite worthy. Dr. Wegner said;
We worry that explaining evil condones it. We have to maintain our outrage at Hitler.
Did you get that? He said, that if we explain the true cause of evil, people will think we condone it. We must maintain our outrage at Hitler.
How many emails have I gotten just like that. ‘Oh your saying, so Hitler is going to be up in heaven with us?’ ‘Oh really, nice Ray, and I suppose Sadam Hussin will be having tea with us and taking the last supper with us.’ You know they get real sarcastic like that. Why? Because they want to be better. They want to be better than Hitler, they want to be able to always think that Hitler made choices to do bad and he’s going to suffer for all eternity for it. They say, ‘I on the other hand, I choose Christ and I’m going to be saved.’ So people feel this way.
Another reason, I think, is that Christians see their unbelieving friends having all kinds of worldly fun, while they (the Christians) have to be "meek" and "good" and abstain from worldly pleasures. They want to see some sort of balancing out in the end. Let's face it, many (or most) Christians--if they suddenly stopped believing in hell--would love to jump in and engage in fornication, drunkenness, whatever. Ray has gotten many e-mails saying just that: "Oh thanks for this wonderful news about no hell! I can't wait to go out and sleep with as many people as possible, because we're all going to heaven anyway!" But they can't, because there's that fear of hell hanging over them. So they resent the folks who do indulge, and hope they'll be punished in the end.
DEJI:
@Extol, you are very correct about that. It shows that they do not love fellow humans by the way.
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