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Kingdom of God - of the heavens
Mike Gagne:
Well John I left a few witnesses on my first post and no one seemed to have read it, I really like how you resort to calling some ignorant , that's real spiritual. My first post on this thread says a lot and scripture was used. Carnal men will defend there carnality to the death! I gave you lots of witnesses and you refuse them! Then tell me I am unlearned and ignorant. Well that's okay John I have been called a lot worse. Have a nice day!
Mike Gagne:
Come on, if they won't be given in marriage, I don't think they will be sleeping around... Lol it even sounds stupid... 😂😂
Kat:
John, do you not see you are contradicting yourself own this matter.
"I do not know if there will be sexual relations in the age to come among spirit beings," if you really don't know, then why do you turn right around and say "Those who say that there is no sex in the age to come are unlearned and ignorant of the Scriptures."
Isn't your stance on this your personal opinion as well, where are your 2 witnesses. Because what we are discussing here so offends your carnal flesh to such a degree, that you have resorted to lashing out. You need to either get a grip or just leave this subject alone.
Christ was discussing pray with the disciples and told them...
Luke 11:2 So He said to them, "When you pray, say: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.
So when His kingdom is set up on earth, it will be as it is in heaven...
Matt 22:29 Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.
v. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.
Mark 12:24 Jesus answered and said to them, "Are you not therefore mistaken, because you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God?
v.25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
If you have some idea that angels (spirit beings) could have sex, well Ray didn't believe that.
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[Ray Replies]
Gen. 6 has absolutely NOTHING to do with "fallen angels." The "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" is not speaking of mortals and spirit beings. This is just another one of Christendom's fables.
Jesus plainly told us that,
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God., For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage [why? why aren't they given in marriage? Answer....] ...but are AS THE ANGELS of God in heaven" (Matt. 22:30).
The angels CANNOT MARRY (they have no 'marriage apparatus' if you know what I mean). Yet we are told in Gen. 6:2, that "they took them WIVES of all which they chose." To have a "wife" one must be "MARRIED." The sons of God and the daughters of men are BOTH HUMAN.
I believe that verse 4 of Gen. 6 is a terrible translation in the King James. Since most translators have bought into the 'angels fornicating with women' theory, most of them have a very strange translation of this verse. There are whole words in this Hebrew verse that are not even translated at all in most versions.
Notice this translation from the Concordant Version:
"Now the DISTINGUISHED come to be in the earth in those days, and moreover, afterward, coming are those who are sons of God to the daughters of the human, and they bear for them. They are the MASTERS, who are from the eon, MORTALS with the name."
Sorry I don't have time to explain the meaning of all these verses, but at least I want you to know that this is not a case of angels fornicating with women.
God be with you,
Ray
John from Kentucky:
Kat,
The reason I stated my beliefs on this matter in dark letters is because I knew there would be those who twist what I said.
To repeat, I do not know the answer to the question under discussion because the Scriptures do not tell us the answer. There are not two witnesses directly on point. Please reread this paragraph.
People quote all kinds of Scriptures, but they are not directly on point.
Those who have formed a conclusion on this matter are ignorant of the Scriptures because they cannot quote at least two Scriptures that directly backs up their opinion.
This question regarding sex does not offend me. In fact, I am bored with the discussion.
What is offensive are those who have formed unscriptural opinions and cannot produce two witnesses in support of their opinions. They think having a cheerleading section backs up unscriptural opinions. Blind leading the blind.
;D ;D ;D ;D Also, you are being dishonest. At the bottom of your post you bring up the sinning fallen angels issue, wrongly imply that I believe it, then quote Ray to refute it. That is known as a straw man argument. Not the first time I've been to a rodeo. I wonder how many will be fooled by that little bit of dishonesty?
P.S. You quote Jesus saying they will not marry in the Resurrection. That is true. But marriage and sex are two different things. That is why they are two different words. That is why Ray in his marriage article states that sex is not a requirement to form a valid marriage. You need to carefully read Ray's study on marriage.
Kat:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on February 09, 2015, 09:54:38 AM ---God's Words are Spirit, and They are Life, and must be spiritually discerned.
--- End quote ---
Either you believe this or you don't... and where are your 2 Scripture about sex? The Scripture have always been a mystery and many times are not direct. But to say pointing to what Jesus said about angels and heaven is not being direct, is absurd. You are really reaching to say that sex and marriage are 2 different things, of course they are, but the Scripture are clear that sex outside of marriage is wrong...
Heb 13:4 Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.
Your comment that I am being dishonest is just more of put downs that you are real fond of doing. That comment was in direct response to your saying "I do not know if there will be sexual relations in the age to come among spirit beings." That email was not speaking of fallen angels, nor was I, Ray starts out by saying "Gen. 6 has absolutely NOTHING to do with "fallen angels," I was showing that Ray did not believe angels have sex, that showing you Ray's opinion, since you have such low regard for what I say.
You try to intimidate, and show your teeth by ridiculing and saying rude things, but you don't scare me. I search the Scripture and Ray articles carefully and am not being careless in what I say.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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