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lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on February 13, 2015, 01:16:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on February 13, 2015, 11:43:12 AM ---In case anyone is being confused by the idea that Ian put forth that there is only one tree in the garden, let me put an end to that confusion with this:
Sunshine..... I did not say there is only one tree I said humankind did "Eve" referred to one tree when speaking with the "serpent"
quote Eve speaks of one tree Singular....
Gen 3:2 And saying is the woman to the serpent, "From the fruit of the trees of the garden we are eating,
Gen 3:3 yet from the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, the Elohim says, `Not eat of it shall you, and not touch it shall you, lest you be dying..
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Here Ian, Let's add some of your context to this discussion, I quote you from the previous page.
As I have said in many posts before The tree of Life has 2 names, Good And Evil
The above is clearly false. The tree of life does not have the name "The tree of good and evil." The tree of KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL is ANOTHER tree.
Then you proceed to tell Kat:
The good part of tree in the garden is Spirit and Life the Evil part of the tree is Death or carnality.
No, the tree of LIFE does not bring DEATH. The tree of KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL brings forth fruit that is death. "In the day you eat of it, dying (They were already dying) you SHALL SURELY DIE. (Gen 2:17)"
Kat responds:
Ian, there were 2 trees represented in the garden.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground the LORD God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
The "Tree of Life" represents Christ and the Holy Spirit and there is absolutely no evil in that what so ever.
The "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" represents our partaking of this physical/carnal life, the good and the evil of it.
Your responce to her telling you that these two tree's are not one tree was:
Kat
Eve speaks of one tree Singular....
Gen 2:17 Yet from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you are not to be eating from it, for in the day you eat from it, to die shall you be dying.
this is A tree but represents 2 things i believe carnal and spiritual the Lust,lust and the pride is carnal or interpreted by our senses the Good Is the interpretation by the spirit and so is the war today carnal vs spiritual (this is what I am seeing ) I may not be fully enlightened on this yet
So,
You start off saying there is one tree by two names. Kat responds by telling you there are actually two trees, to which you respond: "Eve speaks of one tree."
Nice try Ian, but i'm not going to let you out of this one.
In Christ,
Alex
Kat:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on February 13, 2015, 02:00:42 PM ---Your frustration may be due to your not providing/being able to provide relevant scripture... Is the last day of the feast a literal day? what does it symbolise ?what does Great day /greatest day, symbolise ?
You say you gave me an outright statement - pertaining to what ?
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John 7:39 Now this He said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
This statement from Jesus said that the Holy Spirit had not come yet, not before He is resurrected and glorified. And I brought that to your attention because of these comment you made below.
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on February 12, 2015, 05:01:04 PM ---As I am so are you...
You are a new creation the OLD has passed
As new born babes desire solid food ...dump the milk
When something is new what does that mean
Begotten a new, Resurrected, reborn,born again are one and the same... I believe
Did Paul walk in heaven ? because FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT.
yet he was living when he told us of a story 14 years earlier .
I am pointing out that one does not have to physically die to be resurrected and to walk in that power
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This is where I see your error stems, from this comment.
--- Quote ---Begotten a new, Resurrected, reborn,born again are one and the same...
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All these words do NOT mean the same thing and I have shown you with many Scripture. We are not yet born/resurrected into the kingdom... begotten yes, but not yet born into the kingdom with glorified spiritual bodies. That is what John is talking about when he says "what we will be has not yet appeared."
1John 3:2 Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when He appears we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him as He is.
The Apostle John was certainly begotten anew, he certainly had been given the earnest/promise/guarantee of the Spirit, as Paul says.
2Co 1:22 and who has also put His seal on us and given us His Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
John was saying "we are God's children NOW," and he is only talking to the "beloved," those few believers there, not to the world. But that comment must be taken with the rest of the verse... it is only when Christ "appears" and that will be at His return to rule and reign over the whole world. Then and not before "we shall be like Him," then we will be born into the kingdom, into glory, "like" He is.
I have shown you numerous others Scripture on this, but you resist every attempt where I have tried to show you this...
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lurquer:
Ian,
Could you start your own thread, please? Whatever it is you are talking about has nothing to do with this thread. Why are you intentionally making this discussion so weird?
Wait.. Did John put you up to this?
Dave in Tenn:
It was I who said I'd remove any post that didn't relate to the OP. But I'll tell you what I'm going to do instead. I',m just going to let it go wherever "the spirit" wants it to go. Then we'll see what "spirit" is blowing in it. I'm pretty sure I already know.
By the way...nobody called Ian 'weird'--only that it was making this discussion weird. YES...IT IS! That's why I'd like it to stop and focus on how it began. Don't tell me "the spirit" is not operating in that desire!
But I'll cave in. Do what you want with it.
Mike Gagne:
Your right Dave I was wrong and removed my last post. Ian I wasn't laughing at you but at the weird remark, either way I was wrong...Ephesians 4:29 (KJV)
[29] Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers....Colossians 3:8 (KJV)
[8] But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth....1 Corinthians 15:33 (KJV)
[33] Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
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