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As it was in the day of Noah.
rick:
Why did Jesus reference Noah’s days concerning His return ?
Luk 17:27 tells me people will be taken by surprise ,you know life as usual.
I was not alive in Noah’s day but is there a difference between Noah’s time and ours ?
Is not the wickedness of man great , not just in a particular region but world wide ?
Luk 17:26 When the Son of Man comes, things will be just as they were when Noah lived.
Luk 17:27 Everybody kept on eating and drinking, and men and women married, up to the very day Noah went into the boat and the flood came and killed them all.
Gen 6:5 And Jehovah saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:7 And Jehovah said, I will destroy man whom I have created, from the face of the earth, both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air. For I repent that I have made them.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of Jehovah.
lilitalienboi16:
Hi Rick,
Well, I think there are some things that have come to pass right?
Matthew 24:11 "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."
Matthew 24:24-26 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
We know even during the time of the apostles that the church had been infultrated here and there. They were eveyrwhere and we were told things would only get worse. How much more now, two thousand years later?
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
This verse is interesting. Its similar to others including Isaiah and Revelation.
Isaiah 13:1 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.
Isaiah 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Isaiah 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Here is something similar:
Ezekiel 32:7 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.
Ezekiel 32:8 All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over thee, and set darkness upon thy land, saith the Lord God.
Isaiah 24:3-6 3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word. The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.
Isaiah 24:23 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited. Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.
Joel 2:31 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
Amos 5:20 Will not the day of the LORD be darkness, not light-- pitch-dark, without a ray of brightness?
Revelation 6:12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,
Revelation 6:13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.
Revelation 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
The testimony of Jesus Christ, the one who is, was and will be. As for the great and terrible day of the Lord. I think we are witnessing some of these things coming to pass and we are much nearer than we were when we first believed. Has the sun be darkened? Does the world recieve God's light? Has the church (babylon), the moon, been turned to blood red? Does she reflect the light of God today? What of the stars? Are the heavens being shaken?
I have come to see the stars as the elect. Yet... the elect today no longer have the powers they did during the time of the apostles. At least I don't think they do. All that remains is faith, hope, and love. Though love is the greatest of all gifts.
Interesting stuff, we've talked many times about this, and its hard to know just how close we are. Is it yet another hundred years? A thousand? Fifty? I don't know exactly.. maybe someone with greater understanding will speak.
God bless,
Alex
lurquer:
I think Rick is probably aware of those scriptures in Isaiah and Ezekiel, especially, which seem to point to a cataclysm at the time of Christ's return. They are indeed "apocalyptic" words.
But the passages in Luke seem to show the world going on as "business as usual"...people eating, partying, having sex, etc. until suddenly, disaster comes upon them unawares.. (where are all the people hiding in caves?)
Probably his question was more in the line of 'how do we reconcile this with the other clearly apocalyptic scenes'? Correct me if I'm wrong, Rick.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Neo on March 05, 2015, 12:25:38 PM ---I think Rick is probably aware of those scriptures in Isaiah and Ezekiel, especially, which seem to point to a cataclysm at the time of Christ's return. They are indeed "apocalyptic" words.
But the passages in Luke seem to show the world going on as "business as usual"...people eating, partying, having sex, etc. until suddenly, disaster comes upon them unawares.. (where are all the people hiding in caves?)
Probably his question was more in the line of 'how do we reconcile this with the other clearly apocalyptic scenes'? Correct me if I'm wrong, Rick.
--- End quote ---
Hi Neo,
I understand that Rick may have been looking for a different answer but I was merely trying to add more to the picture seeing as it is the SUM of the word that is truth.
Matthew's account of the return of Christ is important when considering luke's as well.
Interestingly in Acts peter says this during pentacost:
Acts 2
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
I don't think verse 20 and 21 that Peter quoted from Joel had yet to come to pass in Peter's time but I feel like its possible that we may be seeing those things coming to pass or having passed and now remains only a short while left.
To add more of Matthew:
Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
I don't think it hurts to have as much scripture on this topic as possible when trying to understand it.
God bless,
Alex
Kat:
Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man:
v. 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
This Scripture does seem to be saying that the world will be carrying on as usual when suddenly the Son of Man will appear. This age is about experiencing good and evil and it has been full of wickedness, it was at the time of Noah and is now and will be to it ends. So I think that is what Christ is saying, as it was then, it will be that way right up to the end of this age.
In Matthew 24 Christ gives this same prophecy of His return beginning in verse 29.
Mat 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
So Christ says it's "after the tribulation of those days"... after the tribulation or all the difficulties of the days of the lives of the elect down through the centuries or when they are completed it's the end of this age. That's precisely when Christ returns and the start of the next age, when Christ has every elect that was predestined are prepared, then the time is ready.
Rev 6:9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.
v. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"
v. 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
Back to verse 29 "...the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken." I can see how this is showing that Christ's appearing will be such a spectacular event, it would have to be the most incredible thing ever seen. So terrifying will it be that verse 30 says "all the tribes of the earth will mourn (CLV grieve)."
But there are many Scripture speaking of how brilliant Christ is in His glory and when He returns and literally appears, I think the world will actually 'see' Him. If you think about how it might be with His glorious appearance, I think that He would actually outshine the sun or it would appear darkened. I mean I don't think the sun will actually go dark or the stars fall, because they will still be needed. This is just saying His glory will literally outshine any physical thing, the sun, moon and the stars.
Here is a another verse you mentioned Alex.
Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the day of the Lord come, That great and notable day.
In this Scripture that speaks of the moon turning to blood, that is speaking of the apostasy of the church and here is where Ray spoke about this.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5815.0.html -----
Peter thought, well this is the last days. Now he was right, he was inspired to write that because God did start pouring out His Spirit on Pentecost. So that was the last days. How long do the last days last? Until they are over. It’s been a pretty long time. But he didn’t finish the prophecy, he quoted Joel, but he didn’t finish all of Joel. Because it doesn’t all fit then. But the portion that he did quote, it does fit then.
You say, ‘but didn’t it mention heavenly signs.’ He said, you know these people aren’t drunk. These people are like the people that prophesied in Joel, where it says they shall dream dreams and see visions, all of that. And the sun shall not give it’s light and the moon shall turn to blood.
Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the day of the Lord come, That great and notable day.
Did that happen on Pentecost? Yes it did! How so? How did the sun not give it’s light? How did the moon instead of reflecting light, turn to blood?
Light is symbolic of God’s Truth. Jesus Christ is the light. The brightest physical symbol of light, brightness, this is our sun. So light comes from the strongest source. God - Jesus Christ is that light.
John the Baptist said, “that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light,” (John 3:19). But He was that light. The Son gives light, that’s direct revelation from God.
Now the moon is the reflected light. That should come through the church and through the ministry. They get it from the Son. The moon (church) reflects it’s light from the Son (Christ), it doesn’t have it’s own light (Truth). If the sun went out, the moon would go out, because the moon has no light, it’s reflected light.
So as the ministry gets light, they give it to the congregation, they feed the sheep.
But what did He say would happen, starting on Pentecost? The sun/Son isn’t going to give it’s light anymore. God is not going to give direct light to the people anymore. The light that should be coming, that was already given to the moon, to be reflected, now it’s not going to give it’s light. It’s going to be turned to blood. What is this talking about?
Their revelation from God was going to cease. Apostasy is going to set in. The church is going to go amuck and instead of teaching the light from God and passing it on, they are going to turn to blood. How so?
Well on that very day they stoned Stephen (Acts 7). Instead of giving light to the world as a secondary light, they turned to blood. They turned murderers.
Tomorrow we are going to go through and see how many men, who wanted to present God’s Word to everyday people like us, they had to pay with their lives. Well who would do such a dastardly thing? The moon! The secondary light of God’s Truth - the church - the Popes - the Bishops. If you even had…. you didn’t have to teach it or even read it, if you were found with a copy of Tyndale’s Bible, you were put to death. I mean it was pretty bad.
Tyndale was burned at the stake. Russ was burned at the stake, lots of people were burned at the stake. They kind of took the Catholics out of England for a while. Then bloody Mary came back and she wanted to bring back the Catholic church. Then she started burning people at the stake. She said, ‘I’m not doing anything to these people, that God isn’t going to do to them for all eternity. I’m not doing anything wrong.’ She didn’t see anything wrong with burning people at the stake. It’s unbelievable.
Calvin didn’t see anything wrong with burning people at the stake either. That man is so adored by so many. I mean considered the greatest theologian. He was, I mean absolutely the scum of the earth.
Martin Luther although he did a lot of good things, you just read what his attitude was towards the peasants. ‘Kill them all and make it dirty, make it fast.’ No mercy.
So it did start then. They went from teaching God’s Truth, they turned their hands to blood. They killed Stephen, a real saintly man, they killed him and gnawed on him with their teeth. They just despised that man. You don’t know what hatred is. Like I’ve said so many times, hell hath no fury like a Christian who’s just been told the Truth.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
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