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Kat:
This is the passage I believe Michael was referring to, verse 16 in particular.
1Co 6:15 You know that your bodies belong to the Messiah, don't you? Should I take what belongs to the Messiah and unite them with a prostitute? Certainly not!
v. 16 You know that the person who unites himself with a prostitute becomes one body with her, don't you? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh."
v. 17 But the person who unites himself with the Lord becomes one spirit with him.
v. 18 Keep on running away from sexual immorality. Any other sin that a person commits is outside his body, but the person who sins sexually sins against his own body.
v. 19 You know that your body is a sanctuary of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God, don't you? You do not belong to yourselves,
v. 20 because you were bought for a price. Therefore, glorify God with your bodies.
Paul is not saying that to have sex with a harlot is the same as to marry her. No, he is appealing to the sense of a believer as to how precious the gift of the Holy Spirit indwelling is and to have casual sex with somebody outside of marriage, which a harlot clearly is, was indecent and a detestable "sin" against the Spirit indwelling. Paul is warning about "sin" and here it is sexual immorality, certainly not comparing the sex act to marriage.
The bodies of believers are the members of Christ, we are His temple and should never be so caught up in lust as to join/have sex with anybody other than a lawful husband/wife. Paul says to "flee sexual immorality" because a believers that does not control (by the Spirit indwelling) these lusts will not be in the first resurrection.
1Cor 6:9 You know that wicked people will not inherit the kingdom of God, don't you? Stop deceiving yourselves! Sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals,
v. 10 thieves, greedy people, drunks, slanderers, and robbers will not inherit the kingdom of God.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
Neo, I was much less trying to make a point than asking a question. I shouldn't be surprised that it wasn't answered.
Joh 4:16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
Joh 4:17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
Joh 4:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
Joh 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
Here's what I think made Jesus a prophet. She had no husband. If I am gathering your point in this and the other thread, you think she had no husband either because 1. She hadn't had sex with this man, or 2. He was at least "One Husband" past her limit on how many she could have and still have him be a "husband".
I think Jesus is saying to her, "You have said the truth. You have had five husbands (He called all five of these men 'husbands') but the one you have NOW is a husband also...only he isn't YOUR husband.
Joel:
The way I see it; the male, and the female are married as long as they are faithful.
Being unfaithful produces whores, adulterers, prostitutes, whoremongers, and harlots, in the physical or the Spiritual sense.
Scripture that came to mind, studying how God looks at things can go in many directions as it concerned God and the Jews, Israel, Judah, and also Christ and the NEW TESTAMENT Church, and Babylon.
Hosea 1:2-The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath commited great whoredoms, departing from the LORD.
Joel
lurquer:
John and Alex, I have no desire to rehash what was well-covered in the Marriage Vow thread. Anyway, it was locked, as you know; probably for good reason. But for reference, please go back and re-read all that is in there (I did--it still makes sense). I honestly don't think either of you have any real interest in hearing an opinion contrary to your own so I won't indulge it. My time is just as precious as yours. Nevertheless, I'll bet my answer to your questions is found there. ;)
Dave, I addressed the 'Woman at the Well' in that thread, and I AGREE with you! Go back and read it!
Further, you said:
--- Quote ---Neo, I was much less trying to make a point than asking a question. I shouldn't be surprised that it wasn't answered... "What do you tell a young couple (or older couple) who are not yet married if they want be get married according to the way God says, so that it might be not nothing at all."
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My answer is as before: 1 Corinthians 7. It's actually Paul's answer.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Neo on April 13, 2015, 11:39:27 PM ---John and Alex, I have no desire to rehash what was well-covered in the Marriage Vow thread. Anyway, it was locked, as you know; probably for good reason. But for reference, please go back and re-read all that is in there (I did--it still makes sense). I honestly don't think either of you have any real interest in hearing an opinion contrary to your own so I won't indulge it. My time is just as precious as yours. Nevertheless, I'll bet my answer to your questions is found there. ;)
Dave, I addressed the 'Woman at the Well' in that thread, and I AGREE with you! Go back and read it!
Further, you said:
--- Quote ---Neo, I was much less trying to make a point than asking a question. I shouldn't be surprised that it wasn't answered... "What do you tell a young couple (or older couple) who are not yet married if they want be get married according to the way God says, so that it might be not nothing at all."
--- End quote ---
My answer is as before: 1 Corinthians 7. It's actually Paul's answer.
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I remember your argument Neo.
Paul's words remove all doubt as to what makes a marriage and it isn't the act of sex. The act of sex between an eloped couple is not the marriage bed, its the ELOPED bed. Paul makes no mention of it being undefiled but rather only the marriage bed is undefiled. Hence there is a step between elopement, and marital sex, which moves a couple from eloped to marriage and that allows for an undefiled marriage bed.
I really don't see any ambiguity in this as you claim and I think the scriptures are quiet clear on what marriage is. People do not become married through the act of sexual intercourse.
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