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John from Kentucky:
Jesus said,...My kingdom is not of this world... John 18:36
Now if 2Cor 4:4 refers to Jesus as the god of this world, then that would contradict Jesus' statement.
Since the Scriptures do not contradict, then 2Cor 4:4 refers to Satan.
The present evil world, age, is not of God, but of Satan.
The next age, after Jesus' return, will be when Jesus establishes His kingdom on the earth.
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Michael G on March 23, 2015, 10:52:24 PM --- god of this world? Ya the whole church of babylon sits in the synagogue of satan and worships him. I don't think he has any power unless it is given to him at the time appointed by God. Job:1-7 & 2-2 says that satan says that he is going to and fro, up and down in the earth when God ask whence he comes.
And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
Job 2:4 And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.
Job 2:5 But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.( Please take note of this verse )
Job 2:6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.
Job 2:7 So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.
I just don't go with with the thought that satan has any power otherwise given to him by God. In satans attempt at tempting Jesus, (Luk 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
Luk 4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.( is not this just a lie of satan seeing he is the father of lies?) Luk 4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, ( the god of this world ) all shall be thine.
And Jesus knowing this said, Luk 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Mat 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
The only power satan has is the power God gives him at the appointed time.
Joh 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.( including satan )
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on March 23, 2015, 03:31:13 PM ---Jesus said,...My kingdom is not of this world... John 18:36
Now if 2Cor 4:4 refers to Jesus as the god of this world, then that would contradict Jesus' statement.
Since the Scriptures do not contradict, then 2Cor 4:4 refers to Satan.
The present evil world, age, is not of God, but of Satan.
The next age, after Jesus' return, will be when Jesus establishes His kingdom on the earth.
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John I dont agree with your statement that, the present evil world, age, is not of God,but of satan!
It is not all of God?
1Co 10:26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof
Deu 10:14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.
Job 41:11 Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.
Psa 24:1 A Psalm of David. The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
sa 50:12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.
One thing I get from all LRays teachings is that God is in total control of His creation and the devil or satan is a tool of Gods and he isn't running around doing his own will and he hasn't power over anybody, satan having power sounds like a lie he would make up! :)
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Hold your water.
You're getting yourself all worked up in a lather for nothing.
If you read my reply #6 above, you will learn I'm familiar with the Book of Job and understand God is responsible for all.
The words, My kingdom is not of this world were said by Jesus not me. They were written down by the Apostle John about 1900 years ago; not written by me.
Jesus has given this present evil age over to Satan. It is obvious that what is occurring at this time is not from our Great God and Savior, but from the evil little toady He created, Satan the Destroyer. Just as in the Book of Job, He has let Satan run loose.
In the Middle East right now, the killings, burning prisoners alive, cutting off heads with knives, the wholesale raping of women captives..... It should be obvious those actions are not God's ways. Those actions are the actions of evil men heavily influenced by the twisted Serpent.
A more profound question is, Why has God let Satan run loose and commit these horrible evil deeds? The answer to that question requires great spiritual insight from the Spirit of God.
cheekie3:
Rick -
1. I know that no one can go against God's intentions.
2. I know that He prepares every detail of our life experiences.
3. I know God is Good and does not make any mistakes.
4. I know we are to pray according to His Will.
5. I know that the Good we do is because He enables us to do Good.
6. I know that we must all experience the knowledge of Good and the knowledge of Evil.
7. I know we are being made into His Image over a long period of time in our Life experiences.
8. I know that we cannot change ourselves or our situation, unless He enables us to do so.
But I still struggle with all of us being Accountable to Him for all we desire, think, say and do - whether it be Good or Evil - especially when we do wrong - as we are powerless to do otherwise - in spite of our and other believers' sustained and constant prayers.
cheekie3.
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on March 24, 2015, 01:17:38 PM ---Rick -
1. I know that no one can go against God's intentions.
2. I know that He prepares every detail of our life experiences.
3. I know God is Good and does not make any mistakes.
4. I know we are to pray according to His Will.
5. I know that the Good we do is because He enables us to do Good.
6. I know that we must all experience the knowledge of Good and the knowledge of Evil.
7. I know we are being made into His Image over a long period of time in our Life experiences.
8. I know that we cannot change ourselves or our situation, unless He enables us to do so.
But I still struggle with all of us being Accountable to Him for all we desire, think, say and do - whether it be Good or Evil - especially when we do wrong - as we are powerless to do otherwise - in spite of our and other believers' sustained and constant prayers.
cheekie3.
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Imagine any of those 8 WITHOUT our "accountability". They're meaningless. Even if we were totally passive (we're not), these things happen to US. How is it possible to "give account" of something that did not require our participation, but ultimately had no effect on us?
"Being accountable" in scriptural terms is "to give account". In the end, the whole of creation will declare willingly and with gusto that Jesus Christ is Lord. If He's not in the 'account', then we've missed the reason for giving it. Peter didn't write the account of his 'denial', but I wonder if he had, how he would give 'account'?
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