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lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Michael G on March 26, 2015, 05:17:30 PM ---Ok my bad, sorry sorry sorry , had to go back and read LRays teachings, any how the short of it
The world:
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience
The world= the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life.
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world( the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life ) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them... Yes satan is the god of this world
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Hi Micheal,
I don't agree with your conclusion that "The world" IS "the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life."
I just don't think you can make that jump. Certainly these things exist IN the world and are OF it as the apostle said but I don't think you can now take the word "Kosmos" and replace it with those sins and maintain the integrity of the scriptures.
I think if we are going to call satan the "god of this age" then we must see it through the same spirit that inspired this verse:
1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but ONE God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Or as the CLV has it "For even if so be that there are those being termed gods, whether in heaven or on earth, even as there are many gods and many lords, NEVERTHELESS FOR US there is ONE God, the Father, out of Whom all is, and we for Him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through Whom all is, and we through Him."
Indeed, though satan may be termed a god, he is no god. There is only ONE GOD.
I am still praying about this but what holds me back is:
Exo 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
John 12:37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
John 12:38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
John 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
Is not being blind spiritually the result of having ones heart hardened? Who hardens? Who is capable of such things but God?
Exodus 7:13 And he [GOD] hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had said.
Exodus 10:20 But the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go.
Romans 9:18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
Similarly we have this:
Matthew 13:10-11 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is NOT given.
Who gives in this case? God gives (Job 1:21, Matthew 13:12). So then God has not given to them, they are blind.
An even bolder declaration. God sends strong DELUSION so that people BELIEVE A LIE!
2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2 Thessalonians 2:1112 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
I'm genuinely trying to see if satan can blind but it all goes back to God in the end so how can we be so certain that 2 Cor 4:4 is about satan and not God?
Perhaps it is both, that is, God blinds through satan which He created but if that is the case, I'm hard pressed to find a verse (aside from 2 Cor 4:4) that makes or shows this to be the case. Does anyone know of a verse?
Paul states that the serpent DECEIVED eve and NOT that he blinded her (1 Tim 2:14, 2 Corinthians 11:3).
John also describes him in Revelation as the seprent that DECEIVES the world and NOT blinds it (Revelation 12:9, Revelation 20:8 ).
I'm having a hard time accepting even the term "god of this world" for satan as the blinding part erks me greatly in light of other scripture.
As I said, I will continue to pray on this matter and perhaps God will provide a light.
God bless,
Alex
P.S. The word translated "prince" of this world in John 10 (notice Jesus doesn't say "god" of this world but He could have) is NEVER translated god at any time in the KJV according to strong's. I cannot agree with JFK that prince and God are synonymous in meaning when applied to satan.
Kat:
2Cor 4:4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
Hi Alex, I kept looking at different verse and going back and forth on what this could mean. Then I looked at the wording carefully "the god of this age"... as Dave was saying god is a title and is something/one worshiped. So when you think of what that verse is saying is, Satan indeed is, unknowingly, worshiped by the world, therefore he is their god. Christ wouldn't succumb to Satan clumsy attempt to get Him to fall down and worship him and now neither do His elect either.
Another point is it says of "this age," Satan has been given rule over the world for "this age" only and he has made himself a god to this world. But he in no way has power over God and His chosen and when Christ returns He will cast Satan down once and for all.
Rev 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Kat on March 26, 2015, 06:58:33 PM ---
2Cor 4:4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
Hi Alex, I kept looking at different verse and going back and forth on what this could mean. Then I looked at the wording carefully "the god of this age"... as Dave was saying god is a title and is something/one worshiped. So when you think of what that verse is saying is, Satan indeed is, unknowingly, worshiped by the world, therefore he is their god. Christ wouldn't succumb to Satan clumsy attempt to get Him to fall down and worship him and now neither do His elect either.
Another point is it says of "this age," Satan has been given rule over the world for "this age" only and he has made himself a god to this world. But he in no way has power over God and His chosen and when Christ returns He will cast Satan down once and for all.
Rev 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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So then you are all in agreement that Satan blinds? I can't find this anywhere in the scriptures. Every time its clearly satan, its attributed to him having deceived, not blinded (1 Tim 2:14, 2 Corinthians 11:3, Revelation 12:9, Revelation 20:8 ).
Dave in Tenn:
Perhaps it is both, that is, God blinds through satan which He created but if that is the case, I'm hard pressed to find a verse (aside from 2 Cor 4:4) that makes or shows this to be the case.
Alex, does Jesus being "King of kings" negate him being "Lord of lords", since a different word is used? I think you are making things too complicated.
Was it Satan or God who brought evil on Job? Who did JOB say brought these evils on him? Was Job wrong? Do we just ignore that because Satan didn't "blind" Job? Satan can be a tool in the hand of God in other ways, but he cannot 'blind' people?
Look, not even Satan "blinds" people directly all the time. That's why he has and uses ministers. Hagee 'blinds' because he was blinded. Someone 'blinded' him and that doesn't have to be satan directly...he is the father of all lies.
1Co 8:6 yet to us is one God, the Father, of whom are the all things, and we to Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are the all things, and we through Him;
1Co 8:7 but not in all men is the knowledge, and certain with conscience of the idol, till now, as a thing sacrificed to an idol do eat it , and their conscience, being weak, is defiled.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on March 26, 2015, 07:10:04 PM ---Perhaps it is both, that is, God blinds through satan which He created but if that is the case, I'm hard pressed to find a verse (aside from 2 Cor 4:4) that makes or shows this to be the case.
Alex, does Jesus being "King of kings" negate him being "Lord of lords", since a different word is used? I think you are making things too complicated.
Was it Satan or God who brought evil on Job? Who did JOB say brought these evils on him? Was Job wrong? Do we just ignore that because Satan didn't "blind" Job? Satan can be a tool in the hand of God in other ways, but he cannot 'blind' people?
Look, not even Satan "blinds" people directly all the time. That's why he has and uses ministers. Hagee 'blinds' because he was blinded. Someone 'blinded' him and that doesn't have to be satan directly...he is the father of all lies.
1Co 8:6 yet to us is one God, the Father, of whom are the all things, and we to Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are the all things, and we through Him;
1Co 8:7 but not in all men is the knowledge, and certain with conscience of the idol, till now, as a thing sacrificed to an idol do eat it , and their conscience, being weak, is defiled.
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Hi Dave,
I'm not trying to make it more complicated. Merely following the scriptures on this one.
Satan is never said to blind, only to deceive. Yes, he is a tool in God's hand, but how? By blinding? No. By deceiving. Two different things. First satan deceives and then God blinds. All is of God though so satan cannot deceive unless it was planned by God first.
I also fail to see how your first statement, Jesus being King of Kings and Lord of Lords has anything to do with this. There are multiple witnesses for both those statements, King of Kings and Lord of Lords. I don't see multiple witnesses for satan being a god or satan blinding. Prince and ruler is one title that he is given with a few witnesses but never god. Perhaps someone knows one and that's what im asking for. Not trying to make it too complicated.
God bless,
Alex
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