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[lareli]

Octoberose, Alex and Extol.. So from you perspective attending a gay wedding would mean that you have made that person your god?

Gina and the way you see it attending a gay wedding so not to offend the person would mean you love that person more than Christ? And this is not your personal feeling but is in fact TRUTH?

[Extol]

Octoberose, Alex and Extol.. So from you perspective attending a gay wedding would mean that you have made that person your god?

Gina and the way you see it attending a gay wedding so not to offend the person would mean you love that person more than Christ? And this is not your personal feeling but is in fact TRUTH?

As we have said repeatedly here: there is a difference between associating with a gay person and celebrating gay marriage.  Why is this so hard to understand?

I don't mind playing tennis with a gay person, or buying food from a gay cashier, but I don't want to celebrate that person's marriage. That doesn't make me two-faced. Maybe it will help you understand if we drop the "gay" part and give you an example from "straight" people:

I visited Alex over the winter and we had a great time together. We had Bible studies,  went to the beach, went out for lunch, and so on. Let's say during my visit I fell prey to my youthful lusts,  and wanted to go check out a pornography store.  If Alex refused to go with me, should I whine and complain and say "you're not accepting me for who I am. You should love me, weaknesses and all"?  Give me a break.  He would rebuke me, and he would be right to rebuke me. He would still be my friend and brother.  He wouldn't be a two-faced hypocrite for going to the beach with me but NOT going to the porn shop with me.

[lurquer]

Well, Kat, I'm not disagreeing with you at all.  Matter of fact I'm with you 100% on what you said in your last post.

I was trying to point out that whatever the CAUSE of the desire/behavior/defect (ultimately it is of God), nevertheless, it is still called SIN.  We cannot re-define an act or a behavior God calls sin, as not sin,  merely because we think it is unfair of God to have made us this way. 

Mentally defective people sometimes murder.  That makes them a murderer.  Defect or not, I don't see any loopholes in the Scriptures that excuse anyone from guilt and accountability for their sins when they violate the commandments of God. With the possible exception of persons who sin in ignorance--and no 'Christians'--certainly no one here can claim that waiver.

[lareli]

Octoberose, Alex and Extol.. So from you perspective attending a gay wedding would mean that you have made that person your god?

Gina and the way you see it attending a gay wedding so not to offend the person would mean you love that person more than Christ? And this is not your personal feeling but is in fact TRUTH?

As we have said repeatedly here: there is a difference between associating with a gay person and celebrating gay marriage.  Why is this so hard to understand?

I don't mind playing tennis with a gay person, or buying food from a gay cashier, but I don't want to celebrate that person's marriage. That doesn't make me two-faced. Maybe it will help you understand if we drop the "gay" part and give you an example from "straight" people:

I visited Alex over the winter and we had a great time together. We had Bible studies,  went to the beach, went out for lunch, and so on. Let's say during my visit I fell prey to my youthful lusts,  and wanted to go check out a pornography store.  If Alex refused to go with me, should I whine and complain and say "you're not accepting me for who I am. You should love me, weaknesses and all"?  Give me a break.  He would rebuke me, and he would be right to rebuke me. He would still be my friend and brother.  He wouldn't be a two-faced hypocrite for going to the beach with me but NOT going to the porn shop with me.

Sorry. Yes I understand what you're saying. Difference in associating with someone and actually celebrating something. I wasn't asking about that. I was asking if attending the wedding of a gay person makes that person your god.

My original question was would you go to the wedding if it were your sons wedding. Octoberose answered and said something about not making our children our god. You and Alex commented in agreement with Octoberose answer. I am trying to clarify if you three are saying that attending your sons gay wedding would make your son your god?

[Extol]

Octoberose, Alex and Extol.. So from you perspective attending a gay wedding would mean that you have made that person your god?

Gina and the way you see it attending a gay wedding so not to offend the person would mean you love that person more than Christ? And this is not your personal feeling but is in fact TRUTH?

As we have said repeatedly here: there is a difference between associating with a gay person and celebrating gay marriage.  Why is this so hard to understand?

I don't mind playing tennis with a gay person, or buying food from a gay cashier, but I don't want to celebrate that person's marriage. That doesn't make me two-faced. Maybe it will help you understand if we drop the "gay" part and give you an example from "straight" people:

I visited Alex over the winter and we had a great time together. We had Bible studies,  went to the beach, went out for lunch, and so on. Let's say during my visit I fell prey to my youthful lusts,  and wanted to go check out a pornography store.  If Alex refused to go with me, should I whine and complain and say "you're not accepting me for who I am. You should love me, weaknesses and all"?  Give me a break.  He would rebuke me, and he would be right to rebuke me. He would still be my friend and brother.  He wouldn't be a two-faced hypocrite for going to the beach with me but NOT going to the porn shop with me.

Sorry. Yes I understand what you're saying. Difference in associating with someone and actually celebrating something. I wasn't asking about that. I was asking if attending the wedding of a gay person makes that person your god.

My original question was would you go to the wedding if it were your sons wedding. Octoberose answered and said something about not making our children our god. You and Alex commented in agreement with Octoberose answer. I am trying to clarify if you three are saying that attending your sons gay wedding would make your son your god?

And they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themselves unto them, and provoked the LORD to anger.

--Judges 2:12

The people round about us have many gods, and Tolerance is one of the hottest ones going. The temples are filled with people of all backgrounds who have come together to bow down to Tolerance and Egalitarianism, never mind what their religious or moralistic upbringing has taught them. They've made these gods all the more tempting by saying these are gods of love---It's about loving all people, just like God commands us to do. We must show love for their sinful "different" lifestyle, and praise them for having the courage to admit to their lifestyle in the face of persecution. 

[arion]

I've avoided wading into this one but for me this would be one of the easiest decisions I'd have to make. 

Rom 14:23  .......for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

1Jn 3:21  Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

I could not attend a homosexual union [I refuse to call it a wedding.  They want the honor that goes with the marriage bed].  Even if it were my own child I could not attend and give my approval.  I would love that child unconditionally.  The child and even the partner would be invited into my home [separate bedrooms for overnights] and I would be loving to them and not rude in any way.  Another believer could come up with many reasons why they could go and can show bible verses for the way they look at it.  Fine.  That is between them and God.  Fact of the matter is if someone has to ask whether or not it is 'ok' to do something then they already know the answer in their heart.  Whatever is not of faith.....

[rick]

I don't like gay people running around terrorizing the planet.

Lol............Ricky, gay people are not terrorizing the planet, what your hearing in the news is a deception , what we have are gay activist trying to change the very fabric of society, when gay activist go into a mom and pop bakery or flower shop they are not there to buy cakes or flowers, they want to be told no, in other words they go where they know that particular store will not cater to them.

Let me reiterate, you have two bakeries side by side,  one will sell to gay people without and issue the other will not, guess which one the gay activist go into, that’s right you guessed it, the one that won’t ,  I wonder why.......LOL

Its all about breaking down the power structure and fabric of our society, its just another hole in the wall. Gay marriage, abortions, drug addiction, can’t work because I get panic attacks, but its all in the plan of God.

It only appears the world is upside down but its not, God is in control, always was and always will be. 

[octoberose]

Octoberose, Alex and Extol.. So from you perspective attending a gay wedding would mean that you have made that person your god?

Gina and the way you see it attending a gay wedding so not to offend the person would mean you love that person more than Christ? And this is not your personal feeling but is in fact TRUTH?

I think in context, I said if I was accepting (truly I don't know what word to use. It's not that I don't accept the fact. Or love him. It's just I don't accept that this is acceptable behavior) of his sexual leanings  than that would be substituting what I believe is the  teachings of the God of the Universe with the god of this world.
 I'm not sure why that's a struggle for you. An idol is a god. Anything not from our God is an idol. I'm afraid I think you are just being argumentative because you don't agree. I've already said in essence  that attending a wedding is showing support. I do not want to show support for that which I know is sinful. As Ray would say, "Am I going too fast for anyone?".

[John from Kentucky]

Octoberose, Alex and Extol.. So from you perspective attending a gay wedding would mean that you have made that person your god?

Gina and the way you see it attending a gay wedding so not to offend the person would mean you love that person more than Christ? And this is not your personal feeling but is in fact TRUTH?

I think in context, I said if I was accepting (truly I don't know what word to use. It's not that I don't accept the fact. Or love him. It's just I don't accept that this is acceptable behavior) of his sexual leanings  than that would be substituting what I believe is the  teachings of the God of the Universe with the god of this world.
 I'm not sure why that's a struggle for you. An idol is a god. Anything not from our God is an idol. I'm afraid I think you are just being argumentative because you don't agree. I've already said in essence  that attending a wedding is showing support. I do not want to show support for that which I know is sinful. As Ray would say, "Am I going too fast for anyone?".

     I just love that Rayism.  It's one of my favorites.

I agree with your statements.

[Dave in Tenn]

I'm bowing out of this one, though I think a good random number to 'stop' it at would be 7 pages.     Doesn't mean another train of thought couldn't be followed in a fresh thread.

I just want to say that I did not intend to 'compare' anybody in this thread with the Westboro Baptist Church folks' doctrine or attitude.  It was all about 'demonstrating'.  My 'presence' or 'absence' from this hypothetical gathering would not be for purposes of 'making a statement'.  That's what I mean, and all I meant.

Truth be told, I would rather be the bride at such a wedding than spend an hour silently 'worshipping' with that crowd. And that's the truth.

Finally...Extol, I DID hypothetically excuse myself from the "honeymoon" as I have done at every other actual wedding I've attended.  I'm sure that makes no difference to most of you, but it does to me...so I'm sticking with it.       

[dave]

I have little to say, it has been a good, thoughtful, and a human thread. I am glad for all the offerings, for me as far as my walk I will stay with
Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves. Yet if your brother should be sinning, rebuke him, and if he should ever indeed repent, forgive him."
Luk 17:4 And if he should ever be sinning against you seven times a day, and if he should ever be turning about seven times a day to you, saying 'I am repenting,' you shall be forgiving him."

No I do not fully understand the position that confronts me/a believer on this subject, but I know that I am a sinner seeking repair of my weaknesses, IF confronted with the situation of being asked to attend a homosexual gathering of any kind, I don't know. I have no fellowship at this time, but should I have a FRIEND of that persuasion, I would say I would go, simply because a FRIEND asked me. I would be worthless as a FRIEND if I did not go. LOVE is LOVE Mat 11:29 Lift My yoke upon you and be learning from Me, for meek am I and humble in heart, and you shall be finding rest in your souls,
Mat 11:30 for My yoke is kindly and My load is light." But that is just me.

[Mike Gagne]

hey! someone call me a westboro baptist church folk?    lol.  I seen that way back there! thats ok just don't call me late for lunch!    

[Nathan]

I was invited to a "gay wedding" a couple months ago. Actually, my wife was invited and she asked me to go. The couple that were married are friends of my wife and one of them is a former colleague of hers (my wife works in social services, specifically working with those infected with HIV/Aids). I have met both of these men at several of my wife's work functions and we have gone out to lunch with them a couple of times - nice guys.

With that being said, I declined to go to the wedding. I simply did not want to support or in any way be involved with a celebration of their union. My wife did go. She is not an advocate of the homosexual lifestyle, but in her mind she was there to support her friends, not their "their sinful union".

I told her that attending the wedding would be celebrating and supporting a lifestyle that is clearly condemned by God. She saw it as God knew her heart and knew she was not celebrating their homosexuality, but was supporting her friends who she loves unconditionally. In the end, she went to the wedding alone. I feel I was justified in my decision not to go and she feels justified in her decision to go. For me this was a black and white issue, for her it wasn't an issue at all. Let God be the judge.

[rick]

I have little to say, it has been a good, thoughtful, and a human thread.

[rick]

just don't call me late for lunch!    

LOl

[rick]

I'm bowing out of this one,

me too.

[Ricky]

They dont have to live here now, we could build a space station for them, and let the ufo`s figure out what thier stupid problem is.

[santgem]

................With that being said, I declined to go to the wedding. I simply did not want to support or in any way be involved with a celebration of their union. My wife did go. She is not an advocate of the homosexual lifestyle, but in her mind she was there to support her friends, not their "their sinful union".

I told her that attending the wedding would be celebrating and supporting a lifestyle that is clearly condemned by God. She saw it as God knew her heart and knew she was not celebrating their homosexuality, but was supporting her friends who she loves unconditionally. In the end, she went to the wedding alone. I feel I was justified in my decision not to go and she feels justified in her decision to go. For me this was a black and white issue, for her it wasn't an issue at all. Let God be the judge.

Wife supporting in attending gay marriage;

And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples. Mat 9:10

Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him. Luke 15:1


Husband not attending gay marriage for some reasons;

That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other . And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved. Romans 1:26-27

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 2Co 6:14

Give honor to marriage, and remain faithful to one another in marriage. God will surely judge people who are immoral and those who commit adultery. Heb 13:4


We have to make it a point  to show love to our friend and also, it is good to show kindness and love to our gay friends and/or gay family. But, such intentions  are mistaken when it comes to attending a gay wedding. Followers of Christ have the  concern to stand up for righteousness, even if it results in discomfort, hate, division, or rift (Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Luke 12:51-53; If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. John 15:18).

In my opinion, a follower of  Christ should respectfully decline if ever invited to a gay wedding. And in the end, (Let your conversation be gracious and attractive so that you will have the right response for everyone. Col 4:6)


but if you are the flower arranger and you have business there, you must attend, you have to do your stuff, that's your obligation...............

[whyte baer]

QUOTE:     "They dont have to live here now, we could build a space station for them, and let the ufo`s figure out what thier stupid problem is."

I can't be friends with most gays because I'm too religious( spiritual/ Jesus follower)and they don't care to talk about Jesus.
I can't be friends with spiritual people because I'm lesbian, and they want to make me straight.
I thought I was safe here.    Guess not.

[rick]

They dont have to live here now, we could build a space station for them, and let the ufo`s figure out what thier stupid problem is.

You want to say that to God, like Ray would say, I don’t think you want to go there.