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Dennis Vogel:
Words of wisdom Gina - It looks to me as though we are reverting back to the ways of Sodom. And we will pay the price someday.
rick:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on April 05, 2015, 11:45:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: lauriellen on April 05, 2015, 10:03:25 AM ---It seems to me that Jesus set the example for us to follow:
Luk 19:5 When Jesus came to that place, he looked up and said to Zacchaeus, "Hurry down, Zacchaeus, because I must stay in your house today."
Luk 19:6 Zacchaeus hurried down and welcomed him with great joy.
Luk 19:7 All the people who saw it started grumbling, "This man has gone as a guest to the home of a sinner!"
Luk 7:39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.
Mat 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
It seems pretty clear to me......
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your PHYSICAL PRESENCE says A LOT about what you think is OKAY in the eye's of God.
God bless,
Alex
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I disagree with that statement because one’s physical presences does not reveal the heart but one’s words does, from the abundance of the heart does the mouth speak.
One cannot possible know the motive of a persons heart because of their presence in any situation.
Lets try that out on Jesus, Mat 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
Jesus is present with publicans and sinners, what does that say about Jesus in the eyes of the Father ? You see what I mean Alex.
And by the way, Jesus is present at every gay marriage at every murder at every crime scene.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Gina on April 05, 2015, 12:07:58 PM ---Hi everyone,
I've been reading your posts and replies. Yes, it's a very hypothetical question. My belief is this: If you have to ask, the answer is a big no. And, when in doubt, do nothing. Say nothing. The answer will come to you.
As for those who say that Jesus ate with publicans and sinners, true and the reason He did that was not to PARTY with them and celebrate THEM. Jesus came to SAVE SINNERS. I'm not perfect and I'm not that smart, and I've found myself in situations that I thought I could handle. But the truth of the matter is, I was somewhere where i had no business being.
I believe that when our relationship with Christ is on the level that it should be, yes, you may know and work with gays and lesbians but they would know you well enough to know that inviting you to their wedding would be akin to asking you to set aside your beliefs.
When Paul condemned sexual sin he didn't then say, but go hang out with them.
Do not be misled: "Bad company corrupts good character." (1 Cor. 15:33)
We all have problems and struggle with our sin. That is a good sign that your heart is inclined toward doing what is right.
And there are gays and lesbians here who read Ray's writings and one that I know of who is a member of this forum whose name I will not divulge. I'm not going to "out" him. He loves Ray. He struggles with his desires. So this is not a person who doesn't want to please God.
Isaiah says: I am the high and the lofty One, and I also dwell (eat and drink symbolically speaking) with the CONTRITE and LOWLY IN SPIRIT. (those who are feeling SORROW FOR THEIR OWN SINS AND SHORTCOMINGS)
THOSE are the kinds of people Jesus ate and drank with, for those are clearly UNclear on the matter.
Imagine Jesus or Paul being invited to a gay wedding and as if that weren't strange enough, then imagine them contemplating whether or not they should attend it.
Imagine Ray being invited to a gay wedding and attending.
So, tell me this: When your friends want to marry more than one person, or their pet and they invite you, will you scratch your heads and ask, Gee, what would Jesus do?
Jesus doesn't love US the way we are. He loves us from WHAT we are. Only the devil loves you the way you are. And if you're that worried about offending someone of that mindset and think, Well, if they invite me then I'll go because after all, I'm not supposed to judge them, then you are now guilty of loving mother, father, brother, sister, son / daughter and friends MORE than God and you cannot be His disciple.
I'm not saying hate these people who do those things. When Paul said, I don't judge those on the outside but on the inside, what he means is, he doesn't get ENTANGLED IN THE WORLD'S AFFAIRS. That's what he was saying. Why do you think he told the Corinthians to throw the man out who was sleeping with his father's wife? Because he didn't want them being entangled with anyone who was obviously still entangled in sin. Just throw him out. Don't kill him, don't murder him, don't call the police, just throw him out till he's had his fill of "pleasure," and when he sees he's for himself that he's wallowing in sin like pig and wants to come back, then let him come back, and drop the matter.
How do you separate yourself from those sins and then partake in the celebrating of them at the same time, huh? Paul didn't say you couldn't eat with gays and lesbians, etc., etc., did he? No, he didn't. He said you couldn't eat with anyone who calls themselves a Christian and does those things.
Now, how many gays and lesbians AFFIRM what they're doing and call themselves Christians? Many. (I'm not talking about the ones who are struggling and feeling contrite over their sins, believe me. There is a difference. And one gay/lesbian fleeting thought or fling does not a homosexual make, that's clear.)
We are all guilty as hell of ALL. But don't let your guilty conscience weaken you to the point that you feel pity for these people and go party with them in their sin. You may as well be going to celebrate a future train wreck! And what will your response be to them when God touches their eyes and THEY SEE their own sin? Will you say, Well, I was only trying to be nice. No, you were trying to not offend them.
Assuming your walk with Christ is so weak that you would be invited by gays and lesbians to celebrate their "marriage," all you have to say is: OH, boy! Look at the time. I really have to be CLEAN MY SHOWER!
Or, I'M SORRY BUT I'VE BEEN INVITED TO ANOTHER WEDDING THAT DAY.
Or, I'M SORRY BUT I HAVE TO GO SHOPPING THAT DAY.
If you are so WEAK in your faith that you feel you must GO BACK into the world to offer comfort to sinners who just LOVE to be comforted by you and to be told that what they're doing is not so bad, and that God loves them just the way they are, YOU misunderstand.
Paul said, that f-r-i-e-n-d-s-h-i-p (he didn't say you couldn't eat a meal with or do business) with the world is emnity with God (that is deep seated hatred). Remember, the Samaritan, as Ray aptly pointed out, took the man who was beat and robbed to a hospital and had THEM nurse the man back to health. The Samaritan didn't nurse him back to health. Doesn't say whether he became friends with him and started playing tennis with him or going to parties and all of that.
You might think you're strong enough and holy and righteous enough to be able to withstand the attacks of the adversary, but you don't even realize that the attacks from the adversary are coming at you wrapped up in a beautiful velvet rainbow colored glove, With "love."
You're naive.
When you up and go to a gay or lesbian wedding this is ultimately what you're affirming:
http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/17/dear-gay-community-your-kids-are-hurting/
God bless you all. I can't even believe that we have to have this discussion. There should have been no question about this issue.
Octoberose, thank you very much for your willingness to say what you said. I know you didn't mean to come off rude, and from my standpoint, you did not. We're in the same as you know. My daughter informed me a year ago that she was going to marry her girlfriend since her own adoptive grandfather had instructed her throughout her life to "not date bozos," which, to her meant date girls.
And for those who might misunderstand what I'm about personally: Nobody's telling gays and lesbians that they must become attracted to and marry the opposite sex. Nobody's telling you that that is what you must do. I certainly am not. But if the lifestyle were to be affirmed to the point of marriage, and if it doesn't harm anyone, then why oh why are so many doing Youtube videos about how they've abandoned their lifestyle and feeling sorrow for their choice, huh? These are beautiful people whom God loves and these are those whom Isaiah said He dwells with.
God bless. And please don't take offense at anything I've said here. It's all the truth and you know it.
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Beautiful Gina. A big hearty amen dear sister. I think that is the nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned.
God bless,
Alex
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Rick on April 05, 2015, 12:29:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on April 05, 2015, 11:45:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: lauriellen on April 05, 2015, 10:03:25 AM ---It seems to me that Jesus set the example for us to follow:
Luk 19:5 When Jesus came to that place, he looked up and said to Zacchaeus, "Hurry down, Zacchaeus, because I must stay in your house today."
Luk 19:6 Zacchaeus hurried down and welcomed him with great joy.
Luk 19:7 All the people who saw it started grumbling, "This man has gone as a guest to the home of a sinner!"
Luk 7:39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.
Mat 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
It seems pretty clear to me......
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your PHYSICAL PRESENCE says A LOT about what you think is OKAY in the eye's of God.
God bless,
Alex
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I disagree with that statement because one’s physical presences does not reveal the heart but one’s words does, from the abundance of the heart does the mouth speak.
One cannot possible know the motive of a persons heart because of their presence in any situation.
Lets try that out on Jesus, Mat 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
Jesus is present with publicans and sinners, what does that say about Jesus in the eyes of the Father ? You see what I mean Alex.
And by the way, Jesus is present at every gay marriage at every murder at every crime scene.
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Rick,
You need to learn to read more carefully dear brother. Let's take a look at what I said again;
"So this is where I am at and I just don't see Jesus celebrating any sinful behavior, not even at the ceremony for the joining of two gay couples. Some people have stated they could attend a gay marriage without celebrating with those at the wedding but I suppose then it becomes a slippery slope. Ray said that marriage was one of the few things in this world that God made for us to observe PHYSICALLY and not spiritually. We don't spiritually marry other people and we don't get spiritual divorces. In the same way, your PHYSICAL PRESENCE says A LOT about what you think is OKAY in the eye's of God."
"In the same way [As in what ray said about how marriage is one of the few things God admonishes us to observe PHYSICALLY]," "Your physical PRESENCE [AT THAT MARRIAGE]" says A LOT about what you think is OKAY [I.E. Acceptable behavior, such as the joining of two gay people at this wedding] in the eye's of God.
If you don't think ray said this about marriage then go back and listen to the audio on marriage. It was the whole reason he made such a point about the physical papers and ceremony taking place for a marriage to be valid in God's eyes. Its very much about the PHYSICAL as far as God and MARRIAGE are concerned.
In Christ,
Alex
rick:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on April 05, 2015, 12:17:02 PM --- It looks to me as though we are reverting back to the ways of Sodom. And we will pay the price someday.
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It certainly appears that way, it seems to me the whole world is upside down, I wonder just how bad things are going to get in these last days.
What I’m confused about is how do all the sins in this life make us in the image of God ? Sometimes I think most are being made in the image of Satan rather than God.
But having said that I must also say God created evil for the very purpose of making us in His image and that is a mystery to me. But I trust in Christ to see everyone through.
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