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rick:
--- Quote from: octoberose on April 04, 2015, 09:41:08 AM ---
I am not upbraiding nonbelievers - I'm upbraiding you.
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Its amazing how we all come here to B.T. knowing something is just not right with what we were being taught by Christendom, we all came here with our false doctrine and preconceived ideas of what should or shouldn’t be.
Then we start to learn the real truth and the real truth upbraids us . :)
lauriellen:
Gina, you don't know what is in my heart. Only God does. I have not said that I would attend a gay wedding or not, but you can bet I won't be asking your permission if the invitation comes. I have one God and He will lead me to attend or not according to His purpose for MY life....it is not my place to judge what He does in your life.....that is between you and Him.
lilitalienboi16:
Dear zveda,
I was not refering to you when I made that statement. In fact, the person I had in mind I don't believe actually even said that so no need to worry. I hope the point I was making that followed that statement though is not lost on that account.
God bless,
Alex
Gina:
--- Quote from: lauriellen on April 05, 2015, 02:31:59 PM ---Gina, you don't know what is in my heart. Only God does. I have not said that I would attend a gay wedding or not, but you can bet I won't be asking your permission if the invitation comes. I have one God and He will lead me to attend or not according to His purpose for MY life....it is not my place to judge what He does in your life.....that is between you and Him.
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If a person is sinning willfully and without a struggle then God hasn't begun a work in that person.
Dave in Tenn:
You assume there is no struggle, Gina. That's wrong.
Some seem very sure of what Jesus would have hypothetically done. You may well be right. Me? I'm a little less sure. Or of what He would have done and said instead (or maybe when He got there). I do see what He DID do, however He said things that only His disciples understood, and even then only after He explained them...and even then often only after they gained some experience of His Spirit.
Since we're quoting scripture here (and at least sometimes with the assumption that they contradict), here's MAYBE a relevant passage (with two undeniable witnesses):
Luk 7:31 And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like?
Luk 7:32 They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.
Luk 7:33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
Luk 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
Luk 7:35 But wisdom is justified of all her children.
Mat 11:16 "But to what shall I compare the present generation? It is like children sitting in the open places, who call to their playmates.
Mat 11:17 "'We have played the flute to you,' they say, 'and you have not danced: we have sung dirges, and you have not beaten your breasts.'
Mat 11:18 "For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.'
Mat 11:19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they exclaim, 'See this man! --given to gluttony and tippling, and a friend of tax-gatherers and notorious sinners!' And yet Wisdom is vindicated by her actions."
I also can't forget what He did do...not hypothetically (or even symbolically) but REALLY. While we were yet sinners, He died for us. And unless the Calvinists are right, He died for all of us, not just those to whom He gives faith to believe.
More power to you if you can create a law which automatically and without any further thought forbids you to hypothetically go to a "gay wedding". I'm not going to pipe and expect you to dance. And lest you think I also don't know that "they" are expecting the same thing, I do know that. But in all likelihood (I can only state the obvious here) I'm not talking to them but to "us". That's where Judgement begins, or we miss the point of the Sermon on the Mount.
I didn't leave the church because I thought they were a pack of hypocrites...though some clearly were. Most were far more 'morally upright' than I could manage. I 'left' because their so-called 'gospel' didn't sound like such good news any more, to a sinner. Maybe we (I) should spend some times considering what our 'message' IS to sinners...and apply it to ourselves first. They gave the likes of me no hope. From their perspective under the law, they were right. It wasn't that their message was "wrong". it was (simply and flatly put) worthless.
Maybe it isn't 'worthless' to everybody. Lots of people have better lives because of their 'faith'. But some of us didn't.
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