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zvezda:
Gina, looks like you know what's deep down in my heart (and Laurie's and Dave's) more than God. whatever... :o
Gina:
Matthew 24
11 "Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.
12"Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold.
I believe that the love that Jesus is talking about growing cold is assuredly NOT their love for the world, but their love of God. They will be lovers of self, and lawlessness, and betray one another. There is no love in the world, for heaven's sake. We're talking about people who started out following the Lord but their love of God grows cold. People who love God don't hate one another, but people whose love for God grows cold, DO hate God and His ways and they wind up betraying one another with verses and scripture that they say means one thing when it really means another. They've turned away from the truth. Not judging, I'm just stating facts here.
Gina:
--- Quote from: zvezda on April 05, 2015, 05:21:20 PM ---Gina, looks like you know what's deep down in my heart (and Laurie's and Dave's) more than God. whatever... :o
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As I see I judge. I can of my own self do nothing.
A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. Luke 6:45
I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings that I can see things that are hidden in broad daylight, z. God knows I don't hate any of you.
Dave in Tenn:
Gina, since you quoted lauriellen in your post, I assumed (wrongly?...don't know) you were speaking to/about her. To assume one who would hypothecially consider hypothetically attend a "gay wedding" is not struggling with that decision is wrong...or certainly MAY be wrong. After all there have been statements in this thread that 'assume' anybody who would dare make such a decision is just "up and going" like it was just another Tuesday and there was nothing good on TV.
Ignore the rest of my post, if you need to. That's just the tip of the iceberg of this "struggle". I don't know how always to live in this world without being OF it. Neither do you. I assure you there are "prophets of God" who would condemn every moment of your life, every thought in your head, and every belief you hold. They would send you to hell themselves and laugh while doing it. If I "judge" you as one of "this generation" who complains that us pesky other people are just not doing right, then understand of my own self I can do nothing as well.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: zvezda on April 05, 2015, 04:51:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on April 05, 2015, 02:48:01 PM ---I was not refering to you when I made that statement. In fact, the person I had in mind I don't believe actually even said that so no need to worry. I hope the point I was making that followed that statement though is not lost on that account.
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Thanks for clarifying, Alex :)
As for the point you were making followed that statement
--- Quote ---Ray said that marriage was one of the few things in this world that God made for us to observe PHYSICALLY and not spiritually. We don't spiritually marry other people and we don't get spiritual divorces. In the same way, your PHYSICAL PRESENCE says A LOT about what you think is OKAY in the eye's of God.
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I agree with what Ray said that marriage is more physical than spiritual, from a scriptural point of view. But I don't agree with what you said "In the same way, your PHYSICAL PRESENCE says A LOT about what you think is OKAY in the eye's of God." It's not the same way in God's eyes, God doesn't look on the physical appearance, men do. Even when people attend a regular wedding, they go there for various reasons, it doesn't automatically say they are okay with this marriage. Maybe some of the wedding attendants think the groom won't make a good husband, or some think the bride marries him for his money, whatever. You just don't know what go through people's minds by their physical presence. Most importantly: For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart. (1 Samuel 16:7)
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Hi again Zvezda,
MARRIAGE is ALL ABOUT THE PHYSICAL. It is maybe the ONE THING God only accepts IF you PHYSICALLY do what is required of you. Physically have a ceremony and physically exchange vows. You can't SPIRITUALLY MARRY your partner or SPIRITUALLY DIVORCE them when things go bad. Its all nonsense. Ray made a very strong case for this. So yes, in this regard, it is about the physical appearance. Being PHYSICALLY PRESENT in the case of marriage is very much a big deal because in the eyes of God marriage only counts if its done PHYSICALLY.
While I fully agree that God judges the matters of the heart, you have to remember that it is the SUM of God's word that is truth and that in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. You can't just quote one verse and say that's it, i'm ignoring everything else I know God to have said.
I will say nothing more on this subject. I think we have exhausted what is profitable in it and I pray that everyone has benefited from it. I know I have. It has driven me to search deeper into what I believe and caused me to really evaluate myself. We are to voluntarily judge ourselves now in Gehenna fire or have our whole bodies thrown into the lake of fire at the resurrection. Let everyone be fully convinced because God is the only judge whose worthy of our obedience and reverence. We ought always to obey God rather than man.
God bless,
Alex
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