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Gina

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Re: Gay Weddings
« Reply #80 on: April 06, 2015, 03:08:49 PM »

Yes, the aim is to follow Jesus in order that our salt will not lose its saltiness.

Lot was separated from Sodom by God.  Lot didn't separate himself.   But if we are like Lot's WIFE and turn back with longing and yearning for where we come from or for those that have no desire of doing right, we risk becoming PILLARS of salt and of NO EFFECT whatsoever.

Jesus said in Luke 17

32"Remember Lot's wife. 33"Whoever seeks to keep his life will lose it [Lot's wife lost her life in her turning back and yearning for the country that God was drawing them out of], and whoever loses his life will preserve it [Lot's life was preserved because he wasn't doing what his wife was doing].

So I'm in tune more so now to God's voice than to my own wishes and my own desires to have a "healthy" relationship with my daughter.  I know that my daughter will be saved.  I do not need to TURN BACK AND FEEL SORRY FOR HER OR FOR ANY RELATIONSHIP THAT I AM LOSING NOW and risk becoming of NO EFFECT at all.  I will most certainly NOT be commended for that.  I'm not seeking praise from men/women but from God.  Seek ye FIRST (preeminently, first and foremost!) the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all of these things shall be added unto you. 

I hope I don't sound preachy.  God knows I just love the approval of men and women.  Ray said, if you aren't suffering persecution in your daily walk, you're doing it wrong. 

So I want to thank God for having been falsely lumped in with Westboro Baptist Church and falsely called religious hypocrite.  Now I have assurance that I am on the right track.  :)
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« Reply #81 on: April 06, 2015, 05:46:29 PM »



"(H)ave we forgotten that it is GOD Himself who binds people in sin, who blinds them to the truth and does NOT give a person a heart or strength to repent  UNTIL the appointed time? God must have a purpose for the existence of gays or they would have already repented! "
Thank you for that.
I have been with my friend for 7 years. We spoke of marriage, but I just can't wrap my brain around it.
Homosexuality is not just the sex part. I never chose to be this way, I'm not rebelling against God. The happiest day of my life was the day  I was reading about hell on this site, and my brain put all of it together, and I realized God's truth!  I was not going to burn forever ( like a lot of people think I should), I had His Grace and Mercy and Forgivenes. I have developed such a love for everyone, I can't even really 'hate' the devil. He is evil and bad, but he is doing exactly what God designed him for. My thoughts have always been to try to help other homosexuals know about God. I don't agree with the ex-gay ministries, they are money-grubbing groups that use guilt and fear for motivation, instead of love and understanding their pain. God CHOSE me in March of 83 in an AOG church in the Philippines. If someone had told me the night before that I was going to go to a church the next day, and get saved (for lack of a better phrase)I would have laughed in their face and bought them another drink. I  tried to "go straight" for 20 years. Should I have to be alone for the rest of my life to please "the church"? I don't care about the sex part, I have folks just tell me to live alone and I'll be fine... I don't want to be alone anymore. Isn't 20 years enough time to try before giving up in frustration? I know Paul had his 'thorn'.....but I feel so much of my life was wasted trying to be something I wasn't... I don't hate men , I worked on aircraft around men for over 30 years.... I really don't have the right words to show you what I mean. Everyone automatically calls it sin. I have studied and researched for several years now, and things are taken out of context to prove homosexuality is wrong. I believe how we live our life is what God looks at.

Thank you all for you opinions...
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Re: Gay Weddings
« Reply #82 on: April 06, 2015, 06:12:57 PM »



"(H)ave we forgotten that it is GOD Himself who binds people in sin, who blinds them to the truth and does NOT give a person a heart or strength to repent  UNTIL the appointed time? God must have a purpose for the existence of gays or they would have already repented! "
Thank you for that.
I have been with my friend for 7 years. We spoke of marriage, but I just can't wrap my brain around it.
Homosexuality is not just the sex part. I never chose to be this way, I'm not rebelling against God. The happiest day of my life was the day  I was reading about hell on this site, and my brain put all of it together, and I realized God's truth!  I was not going to burn forever ( like a lot of people think I should), I had His Grace and Mercy and Forgivenes. I have developed such a love for everyone, I can't even really 'hate' the devil. He is evil and bad, but he is doing exactly what God designed him for. My thoughts have always been to try to help other homosexuals know about God. I don't agree with the ex-gay ministries, they are money-grubbing groups that use guilt and fear for motivation, instead of love and understanding their pain. God CHOSE me in March of 83 in an AOG church in the Philippines. If someone had told me the night before that I was going to go to a church the next day, and get saved (for lack of a better phrase)I would have laughed in their face and bought them another drink. I  tried to "go straight" for 20 years. Should I have to be alone for the rest of my life to please "the church"? I don't care about the sex part, I have folks just tell me to live alone and I'll be fine... I don't want to be alone anymore. Isn't 20 years enough time to try before giving up in frustration? I know Paul had his 'thorn'.....but I feel so much of my life was wasted trying to be something I wasn't... I don't hate men , I worked on aircraft around men for over 30 years.... I really don't have the right words to show you what I mean. Everyone automatically calls it sin. I have studied and researched for several years now, and things are taken out of context to prove homosexuality is wrong. I believe how we live our life is what God looks at.

Thank you all for you opinions...


Just one moment friend.  It is one thing to understand that we are all sinners and all have fallen short of the glory of God.

It is another thing to try to rationalize sin and to try to justify it.  God sets the bounds for everything in the heavens and earth.  He says what is good and evil.

Ray wrote the best article I have found that explains from the Scriptures that homosexuality is a sin, which I have attached below.

Study the truth in that article.  You then need to decide if you will accept the truth or reject truth.

http://bible-truths.com/homosex.htm
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Gina

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Re: Gay Weddings
« Reply #83 on: April 06, 2015, 06:29:02 PM »



"(H)ave we forgotten that it is GOD Himself who binds people in sin, who blinds them to the truth and does NOT give a person a heart or strength to repent  UNTIL the appointed time? God must have a purpose for the existence of gays or they would have already repented! "
Thank you for that.
I have been with my friend for 7 years. We spoke of marriage, but I just can't wrap my brain around it.
Homosexuality is not just the sex part. I never chose to be this way, I'm not rebelling against God. The happiest day of my life was the day  I was reading about hell on this site, and my brain put all of it together, and I realized God's truth!  I was not going to burn forever ( like a lot of people think I should), I had His Grace and Mercy and Forgivenes. I have developed such a love for everyone, I can't even really 'hate' the devil. He is evil and bad, but he is doing exactly what God designed him for. My thoughts have always been to try to help other homosexuals know about God. I don't agree with the ex-gay ministries, they are money-grubbing groups that use guilt and fear for motivation, instead of love and understanding their pain. God CHOSE me in March of 83 in an AOG church in the Philippines. If someone had told me the night before that I was going to go to a church the next day, and get saved (for lack of a better phrase)I would have laughed in their face and bought them another drink. I  tried to "go straight" for 20 years. Should I have to be alone for the rest of my life to please "the church"? I don't care about the sex part, I have folks just tell me to live alone and I'll be fine... I don't want to be alone anymore. Isn't 20 years enough time to try before giving up in frustration? I know Paul had his 'thorn'.....but I feel so much of my life was wasted trying to be something I wasn't... I don't hate men , I worked on aircraft around men for over 30 years.... I really don't have the right words to show you what I mean. Everyone automatically calls it sin. I have studied and researched for several years now, and things are taken out of context to prove homosexuality is wrong. I believe how we live our life is what God looks at.

Thank you all for you opinions...

Welcome to the forum whyte baer.

Gays have repented because it does hurt them physically, emotionally, and spiritually. 

Yes, how we live our lives is what God looks at, and all our "good works" account for filthy rags if we are relying on them to be righteous in God's eyes.   It's sad how you can say that God binds people in sin and gays would have repented IF God didn't have a purpose for them.

So what?  Are you saying the reason Satan is still doing his deceitful works and hasn't repented is because he's not doing anything wrong?   God has a purpose for the crooked serpent Satan too, but that doesn't make what he's doing right.  Jesus came to UNDO the works of the devil. 

But that's not what this thread is about.  It's about attending a gay wedding, hypothetically.  And if even you can't wrap your brain around gay marriage .......................    You're not making much sense to me.

Just because you feel that much of your life was wasted trying to be something you aren't, does not make what you're attempting to be WRONG.  I have tried for close to 40 years to quit smoking cigarettes.  Should I just give up and stop praying that God will take this from me, simply because I don't have the strength to give it up?  Do I now call smoking cigarettes a GOOD thing to do?  Do I sigh and whine and say, Gosh, if I didn't have a purpose for smoking I know I would have repented by now?  I don't CARE that people shun me for being a smoker.  That is their right.  They have every right to shun a smoker.  They don't want that around themselves.  Some can't stomach the smell of it.  So what do I do?  Go and seek out a non-smoking forum and proceed to give them all the ridiculous explanations and "research" from "teachers" I have heaped to myself in an attempt to convince them (but more likely myself?) as to WHY I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG by smoking cigarettes?  How much patience do you think those forum members should have for me and my psycho-babble?   A lot, I'll bet!

What you're doing here and the things you're saying are wrong because as you said, God blinds people and binds them to sin and when people are steeped in their sin and pleasures, they can't see their sin.  You're simply in a state of blindness.  It's not that you don't want to see your sin, you SIMPLY CANNOT.  And just as you said, until God lifts the blinders, only then will you be able to SEE and agree and acknowledge that what you are doing is wrong.  You might not have be given the grace or the power yet to do anything to change it at the present, but God definitely has a reason for the likes of both you and me to be here.

Keep reading Ray's materials.  There's definitely a reason why you're here.  Nobody's here by accident.
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Re: Gay Weddings
« Reply #84 on: April 06, 2015, 08:16:59 PM »

whyte bear, I'm glad you are here. I'm glad you spoke up. I hope you don't mind if I respond.
 Ray and Dennis did not start this forum (Dennis, you can correct me here) in order to give everyone a 'get out of jail free' card. The point was not that since there's no hell and God is sovereign and He decides who to draw and who to blind, that we can live according to our own desires.
 Romans 6- "What shall we  say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We who have died to sin, how can we live in it any longer?...v6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin—  because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
And then the chapter goes on v. 12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
 This is directed to All of us, all of us are being told not to let sin reign in our mortal bodies and not to obey its evil desires. Everyone of us. We all are being told to offer ourselves to God .  That means the guy with the computer and the pornography, that means the woman who is flirting with a neighbor because her husband isn't paying attention to her, and it also means those of us who have an issue with food (gluttony is sin) or drugs or alcohol.  I could go on and on.
 Stay on this forum, talk when you want to, challenge yourself and your beliefs. Sometimes that gets uncomfortable- at least it is for me.
 Yes, you are right that how we live out our lives is what God looks at. I could say that God sees the heart when others don't but the fact is that " the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt, who can understand it?"
 
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« Reply #85 on: April 06, 2015, 08:28:35 PM »

I live in a rural bible belt area and I don't know anyone who is openly gay (or secretly gay that I know of), so it is unlikely that I will ever get an invitation to a gay wedding. I have already stated that I believe the bible is clear that homosexuality is a sin, so don't accuse me of something you know nothing about. i feel no obligation to save the gays above any other sinner. I have not in any way stated that I believe that I am one of God's elect, and I would go further to say that there are probably fewer TRUE elect than anyone realizes....what I do feel is an obligation to reflect the love that God has given me. Whatever gifts He gives me, He will see that I use....wherever He sends me, He will see that I go....We all have a different walk and a different purpose.   What I protest is someone who thinks they have the authority to name ANYTHING a sin that is not specifically called such in the bible, and who assumes to judge the workings of someone else's heart.
Rom 14:4  Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 
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« Reply #86 on: April 06, 2015, 09:20:51 PM »

I live in a rural bible belt area and I don't know anyone who is openly gay (or secretly gay that I know of), so it is unlikely that I will ever get an invitation to a gay wedding. I have already stated that I believe the bible is clear that homosexuality is a sin, so don't accuse me of something you know nothing about. i feel no obligation to save the gays above any other sinner. I have not in any way stated that I believe that I am one of God's elect, and I would go further to say that there are probably fewer TRUE elect than anyone realizes....what I do feel is an obligation to reflect the love that God has given me. Whatever gifts He gives me, He will see that I use....wherever He sends me, He will see that I go....We all have a different walk and a different purpose.   What I protest is someone who thinks they have the authority to name ANYTHING a sin that is not specifically called such in the bible, and who assumes to judge the workings of someone else's heart.
Rom 14:4  Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Me too.

Octoberose, thanks for your earlier post.  I know very well this is not 'hypothetical' to you.  Actually, it's not completely out-of-the-possibility of a reality for me, though considerations about something that hasn't happened is a "hypothetical" situation by definition.  My goodness, we've even had Jesus "hypothetically" making a decision in this thread.

But on what you said:  I think I've said to you before...and I don't think I'm wrong...Nathan may not be the one God is dealing with right now.  Certainly, he is not dealing with him in the same way if He is.  But there is but One God, and He is Nathan's God too.  Your post reminded me of the parable of the man with two sons.  In some way, you remind me of the 'father' in that story, which is better than being the elder son.  Nathan will arise and go to his father. 

Believe me, WHATEVER YOU DO OR DON'T DO, I'm with you...even though I'm not very important.  Whether it would be what I'd do or not matters NOTHING.  We have ONE LORD, and I'm not Him. 
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« Reply #87 on: April 06, 2015, 10:04:14 PM »


Well I'm late to the discussion... been out of town for the weekend.

But I HAVE been invited to a gay wedding, my brother-in-law's about 5 yrs ago. I did not accept and go, nor did I send them my best wishes. Do understand I care for my BIL very much, I have enjoyed visiting with him and his partner many times. But I do not condone same-sex marriage, and I believe it would appear that I did, condone it, if I attended a ceremony of 'joining' 2 people to be 1... which I believe the the main purpose of marriage is bringing children into the world. I do not feel it is a sin to be born a homosexual, but I do believe it is a sin to participate in same gender sex or fornication or adultery.

I believe we are to embrace righteousness as much as we can and anybody living for God (by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit) should be striving to do... as Paul was an example to all, especially the believers, so should we try to be.

Php 4:7  And, the peace of God, which riseth above every mind, shall guard your hearts and your thoughts, in Christ Jesus.
v. 8  For the rest, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are dignified, whatsoever things are righteous, whatsoever things are chaste, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report,—if there be any virtue, and if any praise, the same, be taking into account;
v. 9  The things which ye have both learned, and accepted, and heard, and seen in me, the same, practise;—and, the God of peace, shall be with you. (Rotherham)

mercy, peace and love
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« Reply #88 on: April 06, 2015, 10:42:50 PM »

Kat, I'll take issue with one of your statements that "the main purpose of marriage is bringing children into the world."

The Scripture says, Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him." Gen 2:18

A man needs a woman to help with stuff.   8)
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« Reply #89 on: April 06, 2015, 11:41:58 PM »



But on what you said:  I think I've said to you before...and I don't think I'm wrong...Nathan may not be the one God is dealing with right now.  Certainly, he is not dealing with him in the same way if He is.  But there is but One God, and He is Nathan's God too.  Your post reminded me of the parable of the man with two sons.  In some way, you remind me of the 'father' in that story, which is better than being the elder son.  Nathan will arise and go to his father. 


You have said that to me Dave, and then Gina spoke yesterday about how God kept her from her daughter and how He has dealt with her in this situation. I don't want it to be about me- but I'm afraid you may be right. Do I need more faith, more patience, more willingness to let go, the sadness of having people I love leave me? I don't know.  Only two of my friends know our situation and I have been thinking I need to be open with people. At first I was protecting Nathan's privacy, but he doesn't so why am I?  They know some of it but I think I must be protecting myself by not telling them the rest of it. I need to do that.
 
JFK, that's the first thing on this whole thread that made me laugh.  :)
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« Reply #90 on: April 06, 2015, 11:53:06 PM »

It's good to laugh Octoberose.  It helps us through the trials of life.

Remember the proverb: A merry heart does good, like a medicine, but a broken spirit dries the bones. Pro 17:22

Take care and may God guide your way.
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« Reply #91 on: April 07, 2015, 12:48:33 AM »

Well JFK,  I don't mind saying I agree with your last two posts... No argument from me.  ;)

(please don't mind the emoticon if it offends)
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« Reply #92 on: April 07, 2015, 01:01:37 AM »

Kat, you said:

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I do not feel it is a sin to be born a homosexual, but I do believe it is a sin to participate in same gender sex or fornication or adultery.

This is a deeper level of this subject...  What we are "born with".  I'm very closely familiar with people who were born 'retarded'.  Not their fault, obviously. In the same way our being "born into sin" is not our fault.  And yet, we are accountable for the sins we commit

And I'm well aware of the sins--and the crimes--retarded persons have committed.  Are they excused from these because of the DEFECT of their birth? 

Yes or no?

Are homosexual feelings a "defect" or not? 
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« Reply #93 on: April 07, 2015, 01:43:45 AM »

The question is too loaded for me to answer 'yes' or 'no'.  Define "excused" and maybe I'll give it a shot.
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« Reply #94 on: April 07, 2015, 02:28:40 AM »

Hi Alex, your qoute;
Hi Micheal,
Yes this is how I try the spirits. I search scripture first. Scripture has said what it has said.  End of qoute.

Alex here is some scriptures, did you search them?
1Co 5:9  I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

1Co 5:10  Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

1Co 5:11  But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

1Co 5:12  For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1Co 5:13  But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

 OK Alex thats a good one! Heres some more

Psalms 1:1-2   (KJV)

1:1  Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2  But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night

2 Corinthians 6:14   (KJV)

14  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

2 Corinthians 6:17   (KJV)

17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Ephesians 5:11   (KJV)

11  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
2 Thessalonians 3:14   (KJV)

14  And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

Now you have some council from the word of God. What you do with it is up to you.  If you do whats right then fine, and if you do whats not right then God will hold you accountable! Whether you judge your self or not it is up to you. Like I said its not about the gay man and his wedding. Its about you! Here is a qoute from LRay…

I am not condemning the sinners, but I am condemning the sin and the lax attitudes toward this sin. As Paul clearly states:

"...and such were some of YOU."

How is it that Paul can state: "such were" some of you?

"For ALL HAVE SINNED and come short of the Glory of God" (Rom. 3:23).
God will pardon all of our sins, but they must be put in our past.

If I condoned my own past sins, I never would have repented of them.

"Wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world... Among whom also we all had our conduct in times past in the lust of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh..." (Eph. 2:2-3).

Continuing:

"For ALL have sinned... Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are PAST, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. (Rom. 3:24-26).
Now back up to the beginning of Romans 6:

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" (Rom. 6:1-2).


There is salvation available, and it is by grace, not our own personal works of righteousness, but we must first repent. This repentance is also by grace. It is a gift from God just like salvation itself. Once again, we are ALL in the same boat for we have ALL sinned.
End of qoute.

Well I hope this helps if you ever get invited to a gay mans wedding.

God be with you
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« Reply #95 on: April 07, 2015, 03:38:22 AM »

It is not good for man to be alone, so God created a helper for him, a women, not another man. But this women was created through a man. She was not created from the ground like the man was. That may be how gay people are created. What happens if you go to prison straight and come out gay. If gay people are born that way, Adam and Eve have the same blood, maybe that's the reason there are gay people.  Ricky
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« Reply #96 on: April 07, 2015, 04:24:52 AM »

It is not good for man to be alone, so God created a helper for him, a women, not another man. But this women was created through a man. She was not created from the ground like the man was. That may be how gay people are created. What happens if you go to prison straight and come out gay. If gay people are born that way, Adam and Eve have the same blood, maybe that's the reason there are gay people.  Ricky


Is Adam gay? :(

Maybe? :)

when only at the time God changed Adam and bring forth a woman and he became straight..... :D LOL!
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« Reply #97 on: April 07, 2015, 04:55:15 AM »

I don't like gay people running around terrorizing the planet.
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« Reply #98 on: April 07, 2015, 09:44:38 AM »

The question is too loaded for me to answer 'yes' or 'no'.  Define "excused" and maybe I'll give it a shot.

"Excused", as in "not guilty".

One of the crimes most prevalent in the state 'warehouses' where we store mentally defective people (not agreeing with it, just making an observation) is rape.  Sodomy (forced) is also common when the stronger dudes get hold of a little guy.  And while many (with Downs, for example) are generally kind-hearted by nature, there are some retarded folk who are downright mean little b**tards.

So are they guilty of rape, or not?  Does their defect "excuse" them?  What say ye.
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« Reply #99 on: April 07, 2015, 11:17:16 AM »

Kat, you said:

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I do not feel it is a sin to be born a homosexual, but I do believe it is a sin to participate in same gender sex or fornication or adultery.

This is a deeper level of this subject...  What we are "born with".  I'm very closely familiar with people who were born 'retarded'.  Not their fault, obviously. In the same way our being "born into sin" is not our fault.  And yet, we are accountable for the sins we commit

And I'm well aware of the sins--and the crimes--retarded persons have committed.  Are they excused from these because of the DEFECT of their birth? 

Yes or no?

Are homosexual feelings a "defect" or not? 

This is a question that I do not believe we are always able to know the answer to, certainly physicians and physiologist don't always get it right. I do believe that some are born with a mental disposition that is different than what is considered 'normal,' as a more feminine than masculine quality in some men, seems to have always been present.

Another thing is I don't believe it matters what 'we' consider as right or wrong, okay or not, as we become desensitized to things that become common place or accepted behavior. Nor is ignorance an excuse, but probably would be taken into account. But it is our perfect and righteous God who will be the judge a person will face and give an account to, and He knows all the real thoughts in the mind and the heart, none will deceive Him.

It is one thing to know there is evil, we can plainly see it's many disturbing results, but it is quite another thing to understand it subtle beginnings and how took root. Homosexuality is but 1 of these things that some have to contend with. But for now in this age we are all kind of stumbling along with all manners of obstacles that create an experience for us in evil and good, it's how we react and deal with these things by which our character is formed and we will be judged. We have our human heart that is "deceitful above all things, and desperately sick (weak); (Jer 17:9) and we have Satan, God's and our arch enemy. Is there any wonder that this world is such a corrupt place?

1Peter 5:8  Be sensible and vigilant, because your adversary the Devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking someone he may devour;

God has given His Spirit to some so that we can begin to know right from wrong, and resist the corruption of this world in all it's various forms, so He will have those that will help/serve Him make this world a much better place in the next age. But I do believe those chosen need to begin in righteousness now.

James 4:4  You adulterers! Don't you know that friendship with the world means hostility with God? So whoever wants to be a friend of this world is an enemy of God.
v. 5  Or do you think the Scripture means nothing when it says that the Spirit that God caused to live in us jealously yearns for us?

Rev 18:4  And I heard another voice from Heaven, saying, Come out of her, My people, that you may not be partakers of her sins, and that you may not receive of her plagues.

mercy, peace and love
Kat
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