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lilitalienboi16:
 Still on my phone so this will be short (sorry).

I've made my peace and I think you are highly mistaken to think Adam did not till the soil, dress and keep THE GARDEN until AFTER he was kicked OUT OF the garden.

My king james margin says that the word "dress" means to tend or CULTIVATE.

I also think you err greatly to believe that from cahpter 2 until chapter three of genesis where man is banished from the garden, that in all those years (adam lived nearly a thousand) where he was naming all those animals that God brought to him, that adam did no CULTIVAT--till the soil-- of the land. You cant just brush off all that time.

Btw, just because adam didn't NEED to water the plants doesn't mean God didn't teach him to do that and more while he was there. First off its what God's Word said he did and secondly God doesn't NEED man for half the things he uses man to do but He does it anyway for OUR BENEFIT. Adam didn't water the garden, culyivate it and keep it for Gods sake or the gardens sake but FOR HIS OWN BENFIT.

[Removed] You put too much faith in men [removed]. Don't get me wrong, science isn't the devil and certainly has done many great things by God's planning but one area of weakness in science is its attempt to study the past and date those events. Estimates are as good as it gets but they are just that--estimates!

God be with you,
Alex

Dave in Tenn:
What ground did he till/cultivate/dress? 

zvezda:
Good question, Dave. I just don't see the need for Adam to till the garden's ground. It's the ground outside the garden that God told him to till.


--- Quote ---in all those years (adam lived nearly a thousand) where he was naming all those animals that God brought to him, that adam did no CULTIVAT--till the soil-- of the land.
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sure, why not? Besides naming the animals, God may have something else for Adam to do if it's not farm work, we just don't know. There were a lot of stuff that God could teach Adam besides farming. Even if Adam did some farm work - till the ground -  in the garden, it still doesn't prove that the humans outside the garden did zero farm work. My main point is - the bible doesn't say anything about what happened outside the garden. See my previous post:

Genesis 2:5 says there was not a man to till the ground, and then v15 God put Adam  into the garden to dress it and to keep it. First of all, we don't know what happened outside the garden during the time between "no man to till the ground" and "God put Adam into the garden." Not that God didn't notice what's going on outside the garden during that time, just that He doesn't tell us much about it in the bible.


--- Quote ---just because adam didn't NEED to water the plants doesn't mean God didn't teach him to do that and more while he was there.
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Right, maybe God taught Adam to do it, but that also doesn't mean Adam actually did the farm work. I think there were a lot of other things that God taught Adam but he didn't actually have hand on experience. Your professors teach you how to treat a disease, it doesn't mean you actually are treating the disease.

If you say the scientists discoveries are just estimates, then we can just say we can't be sure if Adam was the first farmer or not. We probably can't even trust the fossil evidence that Adam was not the first human or dinosaurs did exist millions of years ago too, right?

lilitalienboi16:
Zevda, it does prove that because it says there was 'NO MAN ( that means no one of the human race) to TILL the soil.' The word man means 'mankind.' If there was no mankind to till the soil, why is that? I believe its because mankind was still hunting and had not yet learned to cultivate, dress, and keep a garden.

When it comes to science, I said 'the study of THE PAST and DATE(ing) those events' was an area of weakness because we estimate things or approximate them. I did not refer to all scientific discoveries as estimates. 

In Christ,
Alex

P.S. I removed my own personal acquaintences with my fields of study and experiences as it comes off a bit proud and boastful. This was not my intent and I am sorry for that. All wordly wisdom is foolishness in the eyes of God. Its all vanity. Dung compared to Christ.

zvezda:

--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on May 03, 2015, 12:04:05 PM ---Zevda, it does prove that because it says there was 'NO MAN ( that means no one of the human race) to TILL the soil.' The word man means 'mankind.' If there was no mankind to till the soil, why is that? I believe its because mankind was still hunting and had not yet learned to cultivate, dress, and keep a garden.

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Alex, I was talking about the period of time between "no man to till the ground" and "God put Adam into the garden." We don't know how long it was, maybe those humans were hunters for a few thousands of years, then there was a transition period from hunters to farmers at a later time before Adam. Or maybe they were hunters the whole period of time. We just don't know for sure. The bible doesn't tell us about it, period.


--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on May 03, 2015, 12:04:05 PM ---When it comes to science, I said 'the study of THE PAST and DATE(ing) those events' was an area of weakness because we estimate things or approximate them. I did not refer to all scientific discoveries as estimates. 

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The 2 fossil examples I gave do involve the study of the past and dating the events.


--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on May 03, 2015, 12:04:05 PM ---P.S. I removed my own personal acquaintences with my fields of study and experiences as it comes off a bit proud and boastful. This was not my intent and I am sorry for that. All wordly wisdom is foolishness in the eyes of God. Its all vanity. Dung compared to Christ.

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Okay, I was actually scratching my head why you had to emphasize your background - twice. The four years of education doesn't make any of us an expert of the field. I am sure no one (at least not most of us) here to put the worldly wisdom before God's words. We are just trying to see how the science fits in the bible, that's all. It may or may not fit it, when the bible is silent about something, we just can't be too sure what we think the bible implies.

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