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All from Adam and Noah?
zvezda:
--- Quote ---It seems that God is saying that this portion of "land" in verse 5 was a desolate place with no plants growing there and how did He remedy that...
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Kat, sorry I am not clear what you are trying to say. Does that mean verse 5 is saying before any plant of the field was in this desolate place and before any herb of the field had grown in this desolate place. For the LORD God had not caused it to rain on this desolate place, and there was no man to till the ground in this desolate place? And are you saying that this desolate place is the garden of Eden? If it's saying there was no man to till the ground in this desolate place, it sounds like it's implying there were men to till the ground in some other places?
I know the garden was a special place, God was teaching Adam a lot of things, through Adam great changes were coming to the world. Cain went out and built the city and taught other people how to farm and build. I agree with that. We can find out a lot of stuff from the verses regarding Adam and Cain. But still, it doesn't tell us anything about the hunters. The thing remains unknown is that if the hunters outside the garden really did zero farm work and built nothing? Sure, Cain was teaching them how to farm and build, I just think it's also possible that they already had the basic skills to do simple farming and building before Cain came to them. Now Cain was teaching them some more advance methods to do and improve everything. I think it's a possibility that we can't find out for sure from the verses. And I don't think this possibility contradicts God's words.
Kat:
--- Quote from: zvezda on May 03, 2015, 11:00:30 PM --- But still, it doesn't tell us anything about the hunters. The thing remains unknown is that if the hunters outside the garden really did zero farm work and built nothing? Sure, Cain was teaching them how to farm and build, I just think it's also possible that they already had the basic skills to do simple farming and building before Cain came to them. Now Cain was teaching them some more advance methods to do and improve everything. I think it's a possibility that we can't find out for sure from the verses. And I don't think this possibility contradicts God's words.
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Hi zvezda, you're right, these verses do not gives us all the the information on these things, it is one of "the mystery hidden for ages," that there were other people before Adam and Eve. That is a major thing to understand there were others, so I try not to get hung up on certain points that are not perfectly clear.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
zvezda:
Hi Kate. Yeah, it's such a great mystery. Like Dave said, it doesn't matter much if Adam was the first farmer or not. I think what matters is that we shouldn't say the bible says this and says that while it's not perfectly clear. The more I study, I more I think we shouldn't conclude that bible shows us Adam was the first farmer. The verse 5 is still a mystery to me. If verse 5 is saying there were no plants no grass no rain no men to till the ground of the whole earth, then it sounds like it's before the very first rain on earth. So when was the first rain on earth? The first rain probably was millions of years ago. Were there any humans at all before the first rain? But if verse 5 is referring to a desolate place like you suggested, then it implies that there were plants and grass and rain and men to till the ground in some other places. Either way, it's not helping us to solve the mystery.
When bible doesn't give us enough information, shouldn't we look at the scientific discoveries? I just think it's not fair that you trust the scientists when they told you they used some dating methods to find out there were humans before Adam and the dinosaurs were millions of years ago, then you turn around and say you don't trust them when they used the same methods to find out there were farmers before Adam.
Anyway, it was a good discussion, thanks everyone!
dave:
First rain. Gen 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on May 04, 2015, 10:52:04 AM ---First rain. Gen 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
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Earth:
From an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land): - X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world.
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