Being male

[lurquer]

Alex,
First of all, I was boasting about nothing... I was speaking as a fool because I thought this discussion (the way you presented it) was pretty foolish.  Whatever I do or don't do in the shower is actually nobody's business, nor would I care to share any personal habits (like booger eating or masturbating) with the members of this forum.  To your question, though, most everyone has engaged in the latter; I suppose there are a few have ingested the contents of their nose, but why do we need to talk about those things?  it's just simply not edifying, nor is it relevant.  Which was my point. I don't think they're sins, just part of our carnal, fleshy nature, as are other common bodily processes which people normally do in private.  In the bathroom.

The subject of porn, on the other hand, is perhaps more defined as relevant.  Because they're not just thoughts in your own mind; they're real images of real people doing real sinful acts.  You say it's not an addiction, and yet, stopping it "is the hardest thing to do".  Got news for you... it is. It's probably on par with coming off of a heroin addiction. Here's a Ted Talk that might help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

When you see it for the truly awful thing it is, you will learn to hate it enough to be delivered from it. You don't hate it yet.

You say, "but I do hate it".  But you have your secret files on your computer, no?  You have your special websites memorized.  You plan out the when and how you intend to indulge in it.  You "make time" for it.  You may even have a special web browser that you only use for porn (for security purposes, of course).  These things belie your claimed feelings of contempt.  You can justify all of this, because, 1) It's legal and accepted in our society, 2.) Most everyone else does it too, 3.) You're a sinner and can't help yourself after all.

But, if you had a bestiality habit, or couldn't stop molesting your little sister, I doubt you'd share that here (or with any of your friends or brethren).  That's because you couldn't as easily excuse it  with "well I'm just a sinner".  Ask yourself why that is and you'll come closer to seeing what porn  has done to cloud your reasoning and distort your moral sense.   

It's really, really bad stuff.  I say all of this not to try and embarrass or accuse you, but so that you (and others) can understand how much damage it truly causes, and how it's much more than 'just another sin'. There are many different types of sins, with greatly varying consequences.  This is a bad one.   If you think of it more along the lines of molesting your (or someone else's) little sister, you may find it easier to stop partaking in it.  Because in fact you are.

Hopefully this helps you more than a pointless discussion of my private thought-life and what I do or don't do in the privacy of my own bathroom.   

[lilitalienboi16]

Neo you still don't get it and you missed the mark really badly.

No secret file, no memorized site and I don't make time for it. Certainly done in secret in moments of great weakness though but I already told you that.

Why do you claim to know how I would react with my sins? Beastiality, sister molesting? You couldn't be further from the truth. I would certainly confess these sins to my brethren.

The spirit of God in me won't allow me to decieve my brethren and I want them to know my condition so that no one think more highly of me then  they ought to. I come here because everyone here understands that it is not of him that wills or him that does but of God who shows mercy. Unlike the world which believes its up to me through my free will to fix myself, my brethren understand that only God can deliver me and in His own time. I know God hears the prayers of the rightoeus and if there are any then they will certainly be here amongst God's called and chosen--In His church.

Identifying myself as a sinner is not making excuses, it is absolutely the truth. Christ came to call sinners to repentence and as paul put it, of who I AM CHIEF.

While perhaps you are okay with excusing masterbation, I am not. I want to go beyond that. Like I said, i don't believer Christ settled for just masterbating and I highly doubt John spent his free time on patmos masterbating.

In Christ,
Alex

[lurquer]

What don't I get?

I perceived you had a porn habit, and you do. My intent was to try and persuade you that porn is highly damaging...probably permanently so. And it hurts others.  It's not just a 'vice of the mind' or a method of carnal physical relief (which God obviously provided--in anatomical design--to those who would need it, perhaps to give them an escape from the actual sin of fornication.) Rather, it really is a crime.  Can you not think of the actual real people (mostly very young girls) who are really paying the price for those who enjoy watching them?  YOU, by using them, help create the need, and set the market price for which they ignorantly accept as fair payment for their permanent defilement. You see that?

But you would freely "confess bestiality or sister molesting"?  Really? Why not just call the cops on yourself so you can be arrested and imprisoned (and raped)? 

Because you know Christ's Elect are not having sex with children or animals. AND you don't want to go to prison. Understandably.

You said:

I want to get to a place where lust has no power over me, that even masturbation become alien to my being. I highly doubt Jesus settled for just masturbating as being okay and I doubt the apostles did eithetr. I just can't picture John the apostle spending his free time on patmos masturbating. I just don't want to do any of it. I will only please my wife because it is my Godly duty when I am married to her not to neglect her needs and desires.

This is confusion.  Not everyone has a sexual need.  Jesus himself said so. Paul agreed (even saying that he wished "everyone" was like him).  But we're not. Jesus and Paul didn't need to "settle" for self-gratification.  You may. I myself got married as a very young man because I knew I needed that.  As did my wife.  But if you do not need, or WANT that aspect of being human, then do not marry.  Believe me, treating it as "your godly duty" won't go over very well with your wife. If she knows you don't truly desire her, she will find someone else that does. And that will be the end of your happy life. And porn is a fatal cancer to a marriage. Do not bring that disease to your wife, and do not let her feed your disease.

I know you're a sinner. So are all of us. That does not, however, excuse our sin. Your Godly sense of morality (as an Elect of God!) should guide you in knowing that hurting people is not just an "error" but something that must be compensated for. If you hurt people, you need to make them whole, as best you can. That's what I meant by saying certain sins have very hard consequences.

Watch the video I linked. Meditate on what that means.  Maybe do a little research on the porn industry itself.  See if it doesn't make you really sick to your stomach.  If you don't taste blood and bile in the back of your throat after knowing what can be freely known, then don't expect  deliverance any time soon.  Just being real...

[Kat]

Hi Alex,

You seem to be vexed by this primal desire that won't leave you alone. There you are in the prime of life and you want to be rescued from one of the many attributes that come with that. It's understandable though, because this giving in to such a base desire brings shame and frustration... maybe there is a reason that a person in the vim and vigor of their youth, also has this rather exasperating, uh bad habit.

Ecc 1:13 I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens:it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.

So God gives us this vigor of youth, that can make a person maybe feel proud and a bit full of themselves... so He also gives us these vices, maybe to level things out a bit, it is a humbling experience. I know you are aware that there are no 'secrets' from God... certainly you would not behave that way if He were standing right there, He is. And He spoke clearly about what He thinks of lusting for women, I don't think it needs to be just visual either, a mental picture produces this same stimuli.

Mat 5:28  But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

It is shameful and seeing it as such is a step in the right direction, as we live in a world that seems to know no shame. The stakes are high, keep up the good fight.

1Tim 6:11  But you, O man of God, flee these things and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, and meekness.
v. 12  Fight the good fight of faith. Lay hold on eternal (eonian) life, to which you are also called and have professed a good profession before many witnesses.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

[lilitalienboi16]

Thank you dear sister. Your words of wisdom are very much appreciated. Those verses are very encouraging.  I will keep fighting the good fight by the Grace of God.

God bless,
Alex

[Mike Gagne]

What don't I get?

I perceived you had a porn habit, and you do. My intent was to try and persuade you that porn is highly damaging...probably permanently so. And it hurts others.  It's not just a 'vice of the mind' or a method of carnal physical relief (which God obviously provided--in anatomical design--to those who would need it, perhaps to give them an escape from the actual sin of fornication.) Rather, it really is a crime.  Can you not think of the actual real people (mostly very young girls) who are really paying the price for those who enjoy watching them?  YOU, by using them, help create the need, and set the market price for which they ignorantly accept as fair payment for their permanent defilement. You see that?

But you would freely "confess bestiality or sister molesting"?  Really? Why not just call the cops on yourself so you can be arrested and imprisoned (and raped)? 

Because you know Christ's Elect are not having sex with children or animals. AND you don't want to go to prison. Understandably.

You said:

I want to get to a place where lust has no power over me, that even masturbation become alien to my being. I highly doubt Jesus settled for just masturbating as being okay and I doubt the apostles did eithetr. I just can't picture John the apostle spending his free time on patmos masturbating. I just don't want to do any of it. I will only please my wife because it is my Godly duty when I am married to her not to neglect her needs and desires.

This is confusion.  Not everyone has a sexual need.  Jesus himself said so. Paul agreed (even saying that he wished "everyone" was like him).  But we're not. Jesus and Paul didn't need to "settle" for self-gratification.  You may. I myself got married as a very young man because I knew I needed that.  As did my wife.  But if you do not need, or WANT that aspect of being human, then do not marry.  Believe me, treating it as "your godly duty" won't go over very well with your wife. If she knows you don't truly desire her, she will find someone else that does. And that will be the end of your happy life. And porn is a fatal cancer to a marriage. Do not bring that disease to your wife, and do not let her feed your disease.

I know you're a sinner. So are all of us. That does not, however, excuse our sin. Your Godly sense of morality (as an Elect of God!) should guide you in knowing that hurting people is not just an "error" but something that must be compensated for. If you hurt people, you need to make them whole, as best you can. That's what I meant by saying certain sins have very hard consequences.

Watch the video I linked. Meditate on what that means.  Maybe do a little research on the porn industry itself.  See if it doesn't make you really sick to your stomach.  If you don't taste blood and bile in the back of your throat after knowing what can be freely known, then don't expect  deliverance any time soon.  Just being real...

Neo, your post sounds like something from the christian church condemnation, condemnation!! Neo, shall there been any evil in the city which the LORD has not done? 

heres your statement (Because you know Christ's Elect are not having sex with children or animals.), my question is how do you know what Gods elect were or are doing? Maybe some were doing the things you mentioned. You know that not many wise , not many strong , lets just say the off scouring of the earth are the ones God will choose! Maybe some of them will do things you don't approve of! You know that is what the Lord does, our God is a consuming fire that burns out that  junk that Alex came and openly confessed.  My Question to you Neo is why didn't you pray for him ? You know that there is therefore NO CONDEMNATION for those in Christ Jesus. Maybe we should let Jesus worry about all the evil porn does and we should just pluck out the log in our own eyes!!!!

[lurquer]

Blah.

I just hate porn. Why do you have a problem with that?

lets just say the off scouring of the earth are the ones God will choose!

Let's not. I do not believe Alex (or anyone else here) is one of the 'off-scouring of the earth"...but I really doubt you've seen the off-scouring.  I think you know not what of you speak. But I can assure you, God is not choosing them in this age.

That is why they are the off-scouring.

[Mike Gagne]

Blah, Ya Neo thats a good statement...

Blah.

I just hate porn. Why do you have a problem with that?

lets just say the off scouring of the earth are the ones God will choose!

Let's not. I do not believe Alex (or anyone else here) is one of the 'off-scouring of the earth"...but I really doubt you've seen the off-scouring.  I think you know not what of you speak. But I can assure you, God is not choosing them in this age.

That is why they are the off-scouring.

let me put it to you this way Neo, yes He is choosing the ones that need to be cleansed with fire! Maybe you don't need a cleansing with fire but then again Jesus didn't come for the clean, no he came for the dirty. Do you think the apostle Paul wasn't the worst sinner ever? Well Imagine that Jesus choosing him! I know what I speak of Neo.  You hate porn, no I don't have a problem with that, but to tell everyone here you may wash it a little longer in the shower and you don't see anything wrong with that, really?  I didn't see you pray for Alex on this thread but I did see you condemn him! You have a log in your eye and your judging someone who you say is your brother? Really I am not fooled Neo that whole post of yours reeks of christendom!

Anyhow I notice you's that are quick to judge certainly don't like me and I don't have a problem with that.

[lurquer]

Well, thanks for your analysis, Michael.  I disagree with you.

And your post reeks of someone who has trouble with reading comprehension.  Somehow this morphed into a 'who is the biggest sinner' discussion... Alex? Paul? Neo?  Who is the "off-scouring of the earth?"  Nevermind..

I'll try to clarify things for you—briefly—then I'll have nothing more to say, because I'm tired of this discussion.

Alex relentlessly posts threads about his "masturbation" problem.  I don't think he has a masturbation problem.  Rather, he has a porn problem.  I don't think anyone cares how others touch their own body.  I sure don't, nor do I want to hear your experiences.  I think it's a ridiculous subject akin to having trouble with enjoying the smell of your toe cheese.  As I tried to explain... (guess I failed to make any sense to you).

Porn, on the other hand, IS a problem.  Alex finally admitted as much. THAT disease (porn) is the sin of adultery/fornication and is what is causing his symptoms (playing with himself), which is not sin, but rather a childish habit that will eventually go away.  How I attempted to help him with his problem was by showing him that he needs to attack the cause of the disease and he will soon be relieved of his symptoms.  I know this because I myself had this disease, as do—I'd be willing to bet—most every other male on this forum, and probably not a few females... Because we live in a very pornographic society.

Identifying the problem for what it is, is the first step...I offered a link to a video which I believed would be helpful towards that end.  Porn is every bit a neuropathic addictive substance as any strong opiate or alcohol---more so, as I think one can indulge in drugs and alcohol and not become addicted, whereas porn, especially when introduced while very young (puberty) is almost always an immediate addiction.

It's that bad.  Deliverance from it starts with that acknowledgement, then repentance leads to taking ACTION (delete your porn files, throw out your magazines, cancel your satellite/cable TV (useless anyway)  and tell yourself whenever you feel the need: "I don't look at porn").  Will you fail at first? Yes.  But you will never succeed if you do not take those first steps.

For all that, all I get in response is "you're judging!"   Blah.

You do realize that is the typical go-to comeback of churchianity, don't you?   Lose that phrase, Mike.

[lilitalienboi16]

This thread has served its purpose and sadly degenerated due to some pretty off base assumptions and i would appreciate it if the moderators can lock it up.

I hope others wont be afraid to come forward when they need prayer because of this thread. I certainly won't, hope you all don't mind that.

God is able.

In Christ,
Alex

[Rene]

This thread has served its purpose and sadly degenerated due to some pretty off base assumptions and i would appreciate it if the moderators can lock it up.

I hope others wont be afraid to come forward when they need prayer because of this thread. I certainly won't, hope you all don't mind that.

God is able.

In Christ,
Alex

Per your request, since you started this thread, I will lock it.  I also hope others will not be afraid to come forward when they need prayer and encouragement. 

René