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lilitalienboi16:
I should add that I never said you have a problem with God. Here is what I started my post with.


--- Quote ---"Well I think you're having a problem with God's sovereignty IF it bothers you that He ordered the killing of children."
--- End quote ---

You asked me to comment. I did. If you don't have a problem with that then my post may benefit someone else who struggles to understand the sovereignty of God and let it be that.

God bless,
Alex

lareli:
You keep assuming. I'm not upset. Nor do I have a problem with God. You started a thread lamenting the ugliness of war. Others commented in like with your post. 'War is evil' and 'War is the depravity of man' 'God is trying to teach us how depraved we are' so on and so forth... I don't disagree with those comments but in an effort to broaden perspective I  pointed out that God is a warrior. He trains my hands for war. He commanded babies to be slaughtered... Ripped to pieces, blood, guts, screaming in pain...


How is it you can shed a tear for men who died in war but not infants ripped to pieces? I think it's interesting.

lareli:
No you did not say flat out 'Largeli you have a problem with God' but you did make an assumption and proceeded to respond based on that assumption. It does not offend me. But I will point it out to avoid any further assumptions or confusion.

Dave in Tenn:
The character I most identified with was probably the clerk (the corporal?) who was drafted into the mission just because he was handy and could speak the language. 

Every narrative has a POV--and I mean that in the literary sense, not in the 'popular' sense.  There wasn't a man on either side who didn't think he was either 1. doing the right thing or 2.  a victim of circumstance.  That's pretty much the 'way of the world', I think.

Extol:
http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm

TRUTH NUMBER 8

    [A] "Now ALL these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for OUR ADMONITION [to reprove, caution, warn, remind of obligation or duty, etc.], upon whom the ends of the world [‘eons—ages’] are come" (I Cor. 10:11).

    "Now these things were OUR EXAMPLES, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted" (I Cor. 10:6).

    [C] "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for OUR LEARNING…" (Rom. 15:4).

It is essential that we study the Old Testament Scriptures, for they are often the only key to the New Testament Scriptures. Paul used the Hebrew Scriptures to teach the foolish Galatians the New Covenant promises. Here’s but one great example:

    "Tell me, you that desire to be under the law, do you not HEAR the law? For it is written [in Old Covenant Scriptures] that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the FLESH; but he of the freewoman was by PROMISE. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which genders [gives birth] to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar IS mount Sinai in Arabia, and answers to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

    "But the Jerusalem which is above is free, which IS the mother of us all.

    For it is written, ‘Rejoice, you barren that bear not; break forth and cry, you that travail not: for the desolate has many more children than she which has an husband. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

    "Nevertheless what saith the Scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman SHALL NOT be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not the children of the bondwoman, but of the free." (Gal. 4:21-31).

This is not only an allegory, but it is an allegory containing many metaphors as well. An allegory is when characters or events (such as Sarah and Agar and their children) represent abstract or spiritual ideas or principles. A metaphor is when one thing is said to be something else. (such as Agar actually being mount Sinai, which then represents or corresponds to Jerusalem in bondage). It may seem a little complicated at first, but once one sees all of the aspects of the allegory explained, this principle is quite easy to understand. Nevertheless, it does require the Spirit of God to believe it. It is this very fact (that the Church does not understand or believe this allegory) that the Church continues to believe that God’s true chosen people are STILL, "the children of the bondwoman"—"Jerusalem which NOW IS" over there in the State of Israel. Unbelievable.

Largeli,

 The story of Sarah and Hagar is only one example from the Old Testament, but I like to view the whole thing as an allegory. First the physical and then the spiritual. I hate violence, I hate war, I hate even minor confrontations, so it's hard for me to read the Old Testament violence---unless I'm looking at the spiritual aspect of it. So when I read a passage like the one below, I ask myself: what spiritual lesson is there here?

Deuteronomy 7--1 When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you— 2 and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4 for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods, and the LORD’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. 5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. 6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

These nations have all been long dead, and a literal interpretation of this is of little value to us. But an allegoric interpretation can be very useful. The native peoples of Canaan turned to dust long ago, but I have my own Hittites and Girgashites and Amorites to overcome, and they are alive and well. Like the physical ones were greater than Israel, my spiritual ones are "larger and stronger" than me. It's hard not to make treaties with and intermarry with the Hivites and Jebusites in my life. I've been doing it for 30 years. But even so, I live in hope, for I believe that God "has chosen us out of all the peoples on the face of the earth", and I can gladly look forward to the day when God will deliver my enemies unto me, and "destroy them totally". Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 15:50), so I want God to destroy all the flesh in me, even the infants and sheep and cattle. 

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