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lilitalienboi16:
Agreed Jesse! Along that same line of thought;
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
Remember Job!
lareli:
Before I comment further let me just say that I appreciate having a forum where we can discuss such things.. I doubt I'd be able to have this discussion in the halls of church.
I agree with all that I've read on this thread.
Question.. Is killing babies evil. Isis kills babies, Herod ordered babies killed, as did Pharaoh and we would all agree that what they did was evil. God commanded babies to be killed and we all agree that it wasn't evil for God to command this... But was it evil for the Israelites to commit the act of killing babies? I believe the answer is yes... But I don't know.
It wasn't evil for God to command this because God will also raise them all in their time.. Pharaoh, Herod, etc. have no power to raise from the dead. So is it correct to say that just as the devil is a club in Gods hand and God will judge the devil.. So too was Israel a club in Gods hand and God will judge those who did the slaughtering even though it was what God commanded?
Kat:
Hi largeli,
Here is the 6th commandment.
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill (H7523). (KJV)
Exo 20:13 You shall not murder (H7523). (CLV)
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not commit murder (H7523). (Rotherham)
Exo 20:13 `Thou dost not murder (H7523). (YLT)
H7523 râtsach - A primitive root; properly to dash in pieces, that is, kill (a human being), especially to murder: - put to death, kill, (man-) slay (-er), murder (-er).
There is a very big difference in the word where the KJV uses "kill" and what we see in the literal translations "murder." The OT contains numerous prohibitions against 'unlawful' killing - murder, but it DOES allows for 'justified' killing in the context of warfare, capital punishment, and self-defense.
1Sam 15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
1Sam 15:3 Now go and smite (H5221) Amalek, and utterly destroy (H2763) all that they have, and spare them not; but slay (H4191) both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and a@@.
H5221 nâkâh - A primitive root; to strike (lightly or severely, literally or figuratively): - beat, cast forth, clap, give [wounds], X go forward, X indeed, kill, make [slaughter], murderer, punish, slaughter, slay (-er, -ing), smite (-r, -ing), strike, be stricken, (give) stripes, X surely, wound.
H2763 châram - A primitive root; to seclude; specifically (by a ban) to devote to religious uses (especially destruction); physically and reflexively to be blunt as to the nose: - make accursed, consecrate, (utterly) destroy, devote, forfeit, have a flat nose, utterly (slay, make away).
H4191 mooth - A primitive root; to die (literally or figuratively); causatively to kill: - X at all, X crying, (be) dead (body, man, one), (put to, worthy of) death, destroy (-er), (cause to, be like to, must) die, kill, necro [-mancer], X must needs, slay, X surely, X very suddenly, X in [no] wise.
As you can see these are different words used in those places where the OT God commands the Israelites to kill/destroy all the inhabitants of the land (this is war) to cleanse it of paganism, than what is the 6th commandments "you shall not murder."
I might add that was the OT laws and now the elect are to obey the spirit of the law that Christ taught.
Mat 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
v. 21 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.'
v. 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool!' will be liable to the hell of fire.
Hope this is helpful.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lareli:
Kat can you recommend an online source to easily look up the Hebrew/Greek words that our bibles are translated from? A easy to use online concordance.. Or an app for iPhone perhaps?
Kat:
largeli, I use E-Sword for my studies, I have the King James Version Bible with Strong's numbers of the Hebrew and Greek. Then it has the Strong's Dictionary of Hebrew and Greek for the definitions, but I also use Thayer's with Greek definitions and the Brown-Driver-Briggs' (BDB) for Hebrew definitions. There is also the King James concordance that gives all places the Hebrew or Greek words can be found in Scripture. All this is available from E-Sword http://www.e-sword.net/index.html
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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