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Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: largeli on June 06, 2015, 04:15:22 PM ---And if you cant be sure then why risk being a false witness?
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I have not read every word of this but did someone accuse someone of something?
There is judging, bearing false witness, and observing.
I think it is safe to assume Einstein and Hawking have never indorsed the salvation of all. I think we can safely make that observation about most of humanity without judging or bearing false witness.
Dave in Tenn:
Alex, THIS moderator simply sought twice to 'amplify' and clarify the scripture I think is not "rightly divided/cut" by most christians and preachers. The other post was just a bit of levity--light-hearted banter (which is the clearly labeled, but often ignored, purpose of this little section of the 'feast').
And that's why THIS moderator "let it go on"--because he is not now and never has been a flawless discerner of what is intended to be "light-hearted" and what is not intended as such, over this internet thingamajig. Anyway, the truth will out. It always does--later if not sooner. In the meantime, don't do as "they" do.
Gina:
--- Quote from: largeli on June 06, 2015, 04:15:22 PM ---Some of you believe you have an extraordinary gift... That is the gift to know what was in a dead mans heart. I thought only God had that ability. I thought that man can only see what's on the outside of another man while God is the only one who knows the mans heart... I thought that no one knows what a man is thinking except the spirit of that man.
1 Cor 2:11
For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them?
1 Sam 16:7
..for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.
Is it not bearing false witness for you to claim to know what was in a mans heart and what he believed? Especially considering you never knew the man you're judging? All you know about the man is what others have written about him or what others have quoted him as saying... and since we don't know whether or not the quotes are accurate, how can you be so sure? And if you cant be sure then why risk being a false witness?
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Do you feel better?
lareli:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on June 06, 2015, 06:08:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: largeli on June 06, 2015, 04:15:22 PM ---And if you cant be sure then why risk being a false witness?
--- End quote ---
I have not read every word of this but did someone accuse someone of something?
There is judging, bearing false witness, and observing.
I think it is safe to assume Einstein and Hawking have never indorsed the salvation of all. I think we can safely make that observation about most of humanity without judging or bearing false witness.
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If I said "that man never believed in a personal god." I would be testifying to what a man believed in his heart. Unless I am that man and know that man thoughts then wouldn't I be bearing false witness? I would be claiming as fact to know something that may or may not be fact.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: largeli on June 07, 2015, 03:39:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on June 06, 2015, 06:08:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: largeli on June 06, 2015, 04:15:22 PM ---And if you cant be sure then why risk being a false witness?
--- End quote ---
I have not read every word of this but did someone accuse someone of something?
There is judging, bearing false witness, and observing.
I think it is safe to assume Einstein and Hawking have never indorsed the salvation of all. I think we can safely make that observation about most of humanity without judging or bearing false witness.
--- End quote ---
If I said "that man never believed in a personal god." I would be testifying to what a man believed in his heart. Unless I am that man and know that man thoughts then wouldn't I be bearing false witness? I would be claiming as fact to know something that may or may not be fact.
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Largeli,
Its a well known fact that Eistein did not believe in a personal god. He said so himself. He is best described as an agnostic.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly." Einstein
Source: Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman (eds) (1981). Albert Einstein, The Human Side. Princeton University Press. p. 43.
John said nothing of him that he hadn't already said of himself.
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