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Three statements Christ made got me thinking, what in the world is going on.
rick:
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered, "Destroy this temple and I will build it again in three days."
Joh 12:49 That is because what I taught was not from myself. The Father who sent me told me what to say and what to teach.
So, I know when Christ died He was actually dead, and we know that the dead have no perception, so Christ said He would raise this temple in three days, how is that possible ?
In Joh 12: 49 we see that it Was the Father who gave Christ His words, what to say and what to teach.
Joh 14:8 Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father. That is all we need."
Joh 14:9 Jesus answered, "Philip, I have been with you for a long time. So you should know me. Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father too. So why do you say, 'Show us the Father'?
I need to go back to Ray’s 207 conference on who and what is Jesus and who is His Father again but what I’m wondering now is, is it the Father we know and not Jesus ? What I mean is it seems that I know the name of Jesus but everything Jesus did was the Father doing it all.
It must be as Christ said, to know Christ is to know the Father as if they are one in the same. I guess it’s back to the drawing board for me, again. :-\
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Rick on June 03, 2015, 06:32:22 PM ---
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered, "Destroy this temple and I will build it again in three days."
Joh 12:49 That is because what I taught was not from myself. The Father who sent me told me what to say and what to teach.
So, I know when Christ died He was actually dead, and we know that the dead have no perception, so Christ said He would raise this temple in three days, how is that possible ?
In Joh 12: 49 we see that it Was the Father who gave Christ His words, what to say and what to teach.
Joh 14:8 Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father. That is all we need."
Joh 14:9 Jesus answered, "Philip, I have been with you for a long time. So you should know me. Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father too. So why do you say, 'Show us the Father'?
I need to go back to Ray’s 207 conference on who and what is Jesus and who is His Father again but what I’m wondering now is, is it the Father we know and not Jesus ? What I mean is it seems that I know the name of Jesus but everything Jesus did was the Father doing it all.
It must be as Christ said, to know Christ is to know the Father as if they are one in the same. I guess it’s back to the drawing board for me, again. :-\
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Hi Rick,
It was definitely God the Father that raised up Christ. Peter affirms this several times as well as Paul.
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Acts 5:29-31
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
Christ said the words He spoke were not of Himself but of His Father. It appears we are seeing the Father speak through Christ in the first person when He says that "I will build it up again in three days."
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 14:24 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Christ and the Father are one but they are not the SAME. You know much more than Jesus' name. Everything Jesus did was of His own desire. He wanted to do everything He did, no one forced Him to. He just happens to be the expressed stamped image of His Father.
God bless,
Alex
John from Kentucky:
I know the answer, but I cannot tell you because teaching is not allowed on the Forum.
If God will give you the understanding, Ray explains it at the end of his creed, which I have attached.
It is Ray's 2nd statement, which is the most profound and ties in to John 1:1. (You must also be educated enough to know what an autobiography is.)
http://bible-truths.com/Creed.htm
Further keys are found in Col 1:15 to the end and 1Cor 8:6. However, true understanding can only come from God. You have to be ready to spiritually rock and roll. This most profound understanding is not for the young. (little hint: The Scriptures teach there is only One God. 8))
But most do not understand. Paul said in 1Cor 8:7 that not many know this, speaking to the Church about the nature of God. Two thousand years later, most in the true Church still do not get it.
I am beginning to see that it will be Jesus Himself Who will explain this most profound truth to the Elect in the age to come.
rick:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on June 03, 2015, 07:36:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on June 03, 2015, 06:32:22 PM ---
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered, "Destroy this temple and I will build it again in three days."
Joh 12:49 That is because what I taught was not from myself. The Father who sent me told me what to say and what to teach.
So, I know when Christ died He was actually dead, and we know that the dead have no perception, so Christ said He would raise this temple in three days, how is that possible ?
In Joh 12: 49 we see that it Was the Father who gave Christ His words, what to say and what to teach.
Joh 14:8 Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father. That is all we need."
Joh 14:9 Jesus answered, "Philip, I have been with you for a long time. So you should know me. Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father too. So why do you say, 'Show us the Father'?
I need to go back to Ray’s 207 conference on who and what is Jesus and who is His Father again but what I’m wondering now is, is it the Father we know and not Jesus ? What I mean is it seems that I know the name of Jesus but everything Jesus did was the Father doing it all.
It must be as Christ said, to know Christ is to know the Father as if they are one in the same. I guess it’s back to the drawing board for me, again. :-\
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Hi Rick,
It was definitely God the Father that raised up Christ. Peter affirms this several times as well as Paul.
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
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Hi Alex,
That’s my point, God raised Jesus from the grave, it was God the Father who said through Jesus destroy this temple and I will raise it up in three days.
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Jesus could not of resurrected Himself being dead but God the Father could indeed raise Jesus having life in Himself to do so but it was Jesus who said He Himself would raise this temple in three days referring to His self.
Jesus said it and I’m not going to go anywhere else with that just out of a healthy fear of God . I’m not sure how to reconcile Jesus stating He was going to raise Himself and God the Father actually raising Christ or if I am to reconcile it I would conclude Jesus and God the Father are one in the same with the exception of perhaps having different personality but the word of God is clear in that there is but only one God.
So if there is only one God and Jesus said destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it and we know Jesus was raised from the dead and God the Father raised Christ then one would conclude Jesus is the Father and the Father is Jesus and so that is how I see Jesus raising Himself as He said He would.
rick:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on June 03, 2015, 07:42:37 PM ---
It is Ray's 2nd statement, which is the most profound and ties in to John 1:1. (You must also be educated enough to know what an autobiography is.)
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Hi John,
Ray’s wording here are very profound
I Believe that the Holy Scriptures are God's Authorized Biography, and
I Believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is God's Authorized Autobiography
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