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Sparrowvision:
Just wondering if Ray ever commented on these verses? Can someone direct me? Thanks :)

Nelson Boils:
Doubt it.I typed the scripture in the search box and nothing much came up.What is it exactly that you would like to know about the verse?Perhaps the guys can help you through a "discussion."

Sparrowvision:
Nelson.....I've been reading various commentaries on these verses and opinions differ on their meaning.As I respect Ray's interpretation of scripture just wanted to compare.It might be construed that it may become too late to find forgiveness (not my opinion). I think the genuineness of the repentance is the issue.The warning seems to be dire and to the church.Is it maybe about loss of election? I too searched for Ray's comments but could find nothing. Thanks for reply. Paul

Kat:

Hi Paul, I searched again and did find something.

http://bible-truths.com/lake8.html --------------------

FROM GLORY TO GLORY

There is a progression in the rewards promised to the conquering overcomers in the Churches that is vital for us to see and understand. If one is "saved" (past tense, finished, completed, with absolutely no possibility of losing that salvation at any time before we die), then there are indeed some Scriptural contradictions to such a theory.

We need to get very serious for a moment. Salvation culminates for the believer in the First Resurrection to spiritual life and immortality. However, before that time, during the life of each believer, there are warnings in the Scriptures about ways that one can become disqualified from being in the first resurrection. Let’s notice just a few of them:

"Wherefore let him that thinks he stands take heed LEST HE FALL" (I Cor. 10:12).
 
"If they should FALL AWAY, to renew them again unto repentance…" (Heb. 6:6), and
 
"For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins. But a certain fearful looking for of JUDGMENT and fiery indignation [the lake of fire] which shall devour the adversaries" (Heb. 10:26-27).
 
"Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; you are FALLEN FROM GRACE" (Gal. 5:4).
 
"Looking diligently lest any man FAIL OF THE GRACE of God…" (Heb. 12:15).
 
"They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation FALL AWAY" (Luke 8:13).
 
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a FALLING AWAY first…" (II The. 2:3).
 
"But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should A CASTAWAY [Gk: disqualified]" (I Cor. 9:27).
 
"Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron" (I Tim. 4:1).
 
"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the LATTER END IS WORSE WITH THEM THAN THE BEGINNING [before they were converted]. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, TO TURN FROM the holy commandment delivered unto them" (II Peter 2:20-21).
 
"And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough [having begun to follow Christ] and looking back [desiring his old sinful life again] IS FIT FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD" (Luke 9:62).
Don’t think that these verses were written in vain. Jesus said that "many" would say to Him in that day, "Lord, Lord…," but Jesus will tell them to "depart." It is not enough to accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour and go no further. You must continue growing spiritually. We must CONTINUE following Christ all the days of our life.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat

John from Kentucky:
Those who are the Elect were chosen by God before Creation.  If you are one of the Elect, then you will be saved at the 1st Resurrection because God will do it.  It is not based upon our works but by the grace of God, Who will see that we are saved.

Who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.  2 Tim 1:9

On the other hand, if one is not one of the Elect, then one will not be saved at the end of this age, no matter what kind of good works one does.  It is not dependent on us, but upon God.

But the good news is that no matter when, all will be saved.  No one will be left out.  All will be blessed and become children of God.

Paul wrote in Galatians that the gospel is that through the Seed (Jesus) all nations shall be blessed.  Gal 3:8,16

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