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The devil made me do it !
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Gina on July 20, 2015, 05:20:52 PM ---One more...
Matthew 4:11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.
Now if the devil was an angel.... ?
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Because of the hatred in your heart for me, I know you reject anything I say.
But, will you believe Ray? Below is a quote from Ray's emails, under the Topic of Satan, email titled "Worship me", dated 10-10-2006.
[2] Satan is an "angel" which means "messenger" in both Hebrew and Greek (II Cor. 11:14). Next notice Heb. 2:5--"For unto the ANGELS has He not put in subjection the world to come." Ah, did you catch that? Unlike the "world today," the "world to come," will NOT be under the subjection of angels. Satan is pretends to be "an angel of light" in this world's nations, but not so in the "world to come."
Before you try to teach, it may be best to have some education and understanding of Scripture.
Just Sayin........
Gina:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on July 20, 2015, 05:35:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Gina on July 20, 2015, 05:20:52 PM ---One more...
Matthew 4:11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.
Now if the devil was an angel.... ?
--- End quote ---
Because of the hatred in your heart for me, I know you reject anything I say.
But, will you believe Ray? Below is a quote from Ray's emails, under the Topic of Satan, email titled "Worship me", dated 10-10-2006.
[2] Satan is an "angel" which means "messenger" in both Hebrew and Greek (II Cor. 11:14). Next notice Heb. 2:5--"For unto the ANGELS has He not put in subjection the world to come." Ah, did you catch that? Unlike the "world today," the "world to come," will NOT be under the subjection of angels. Satan is pretends to be "an angel of light" in this world's nations, but not so in the "world to come."
Before you try to teach, it may be best to have some education and understanding of Scripture.
Just Sayin........
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Well, first of all I don't hate you. And second of all Ray clearly stated (you're trying to pull a fast one, John?):
Satan pretends to be "an angel of light."
All angels are ministering servants that care for the saints.
Jesus was made a little lower than the angels. Do you really think that Jesus was made LOWER than Satan and his viper offspring? If you say, Oh, sure, I do! Then how could Jesus have seen Satan falling? How could Jesus have any power over Him and cast out demons being LOWER than Satan? Was Jesus a little lower than Satan?
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Gina on July 20, 2015, 05:48:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on July 20, 2015, 05:35:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Gina on July 20, 2015, 05:20:52 PM ---One more...
Matthew 4:11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.
Now if the devil was an angel.... ?
--- End quote ---
Because of the hatred in your heart for me, I know you reject anything I say.
But, will you believe Ray? Below is a quote from Ray's emails, under the Topic of Satan, email titled "Worship me", dated 10-10-2006.
[2] Satan is an "angel" which means "messenger" in both Hebrew and Greek (II Cor. 11:14). Next notice Heb. 2:5--"For unto the ANGELS has He not put in subjection the world to come." Ah, did you catch that? Unlike the "world today," the "world to come," will NOT be under the subjection of angels. Satan is pretends to be "an angel of light" in this world's nations, but not so in the "world to come."
Before you try to teach, it may be best to have some education and understanding of Scripture.
Just Sayin........
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Well, first of all I don't hate you. And second of all Ray clearly stated (you're trying to pull a fast one, John?):
Satan pretends to be "an angel of light."
All angels are ministering servants that care for the saints.
Jesus was made a little lower than the angels. Do you really think that Jesus was made LOWER than Satan and his viper offspring? If you say, Oh, sure, I do! Then how could Jesus have seen Satan falling? How could Jesus have any power over Him and cast out demons being LOWER than Satan? Was Jesus a little lower than Satan?
--- End quote ---
It is clear you lack understanding of basic truths.
When Jesus was emptied from what He was before (God) to be a flesh and blood human, in order to suffer death, he was lower than angelic spirit life (which includes Satan who was an angel as Ray said). In terms of existence, a human life is of a lower quality than angelic spirit life.
Of course, following His Resurrection, Jesus was as He was before, having all power in Heaven and earth. After our Resurrection, we will be like Him, and will be higher than angels and heirs of the ages to come.
Gina:
ALL angels, per Hebrews 1 are ministering servants that care for the children of God.
I don't know -- maybe the "angels" Paul said we will be judging are not angels in the truest sense of the word?
Are these ministering servants? Does this judging carry a negative connotation? Is all judgment NEGATIVE or BAD? Did Paul ever say we will be judging "angels who sinned"?
Does anyone know HOW we will be judging angels?
Daniel 7:22
until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the holy people of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom.
If someone can render a judgment in favor of another person, why does the word judgment always carry a negative connotation? So are these angels that we're judging the angels of God who SINNED? Or are the "pretenders/vipers of Satan" whose god is their belly. I mean, after all, Satan was cursed to go on his belly.
On your belly you shall go...
Are these "angels" heavenly beings that are working on God's side? Or something / someone else?
No, ALL ANGELS are ministering servants. If they don't do that sort of thing, they are not truly angels. They just APPEAR to be in those that are perishing.
Gina:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on July 20, 2015, 05:58:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: Gina on July 20, 2015, 05:48:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on July 20, 2015, 05:35:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Gina on July 20, 2015, 05:20:52 PM ---One more...
Matthew 4:11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.
Now if the devil was an angel.... ?
--- End quote ---
Because of the hatred in your heart for me, I know you reject anything I say.
But, will you believe Ray? Below is a quote from Ray's emails, under the Topic of Satan, email titled "Worship me", dated 10-10-2006.
[2] Satan is an "angel" which means "messenger" in both Hebrew and Greek (II Cor. 11:14). Next notice Heb. 2:5--"For unto the ANGELS has He not put in subjection the world to come." Ah, did you catch that? Unlike the "world today," the "world to come," will NOT be under the subjection of angels. Satan is pretends to be "an angel of light" in this world's nations, but not so in the "world to come."
Before you try to teach, it may be best to have some education and understanding of Scripture.
Just Sayin........
--- End quote ---
Well, first of all I don't hate you. And second of all Ray clearly stated (you're trying to pull a fast one, John?):
Satan pretends to be "an angel of light."
All angels are ministering servants that care for the saints.
Jesus was made a little lower than the angels. Do you really think that Jesus was made LOWER than Satan and his viper offspring? If you say, Oh, sure, I do! Then how could Jesus have seen Satan falling? How could Jesus have any power over Him and cast out demons being LOWER than Satan? Was Jesus a little lower than Satan?
--- End quote ---
It is clear you lack understanding of basic truths.
When Jesus was emptied from what He was before (God) to be a flesh and blood human, in order to suffer death, he was lower than angelic spirit life (which includes Satan who was an angel as Ray said). In terms of existence, a human life is of a lower quality than angelic spirit life.
Of course, following His Resurrection, Jesus was as He was before, having all power in Heaven and earth. After our Resurrection, we will be like Him, and will be higher than angels and heirs of the ages to come.
--- End quote ---
Well, you heard it here. John from Kentucky says that Jesus ceased from being God during this earthly ministry, and that Satan was HIGHER than His maker throughout not only Jesus 3-1/2 year ministry but Jesus' entire life until He died. How else could Satan have been able to kill him if that were not the case, ya know? After all, all power and authority was given unto... Satan? Is that what Jesus did? Gave Satan power over Him?
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