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Gina:
John, the angels that Jesus was made lower than were those who were the RULING CLASS AUTHORITIES. From our relative perspective, He was made "for a little while" lower than the earthly ruling authorities who got their power from Satan and not from God. But Christ was not at any time really and truly lower than these ruling authorities.
Isaiah 53:4
3He was despised and forsaken of MEN, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and WE did not esteem Him.
4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; Yet WE OURSELVES esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted.
THAT is how he was made lower than the angels / "ministering servants" / CHARLATANS / religious hypocrites.
Because THEY THEMSELVES esteemed Him stricken of God and afflicted (mentally ill!).
Was Jesus Christ MENTALLY ILL, John?
This is my last reply to you. You need to have your head examined if you actually think that Jesus Christ was really lower than Satan.
rick:
--- Quote from: Gina on July 20, 2015, 06:45:29 PM ---John, the angels that Jesus was made lower than were those who were the RULING CLASS AUTHORITIES. From our relative perspective, He was made "for a little while" lower than the earthly ruling authorities who got their power from Satan and not from God. But Christ was not at any time really and truly lower than these ruling authorities.
Isaiah 53:4
3He was despised and forsaken of MEN, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and WE did not esteem Him.
4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; Yet WE OURSELVES esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted.
THAT is how he was made lower than the angels / "ministering servants" / CHARLATANS / religious hypocrites.
Because THEY THEMSELVES esteemed Him stricken of God and afflicted (mentally ill!).
Was Jesus Christ MENTALLY ILL, John?
This is my last reply to you. You need to have your head examined if you actually think that Jesus Christ was really lower than Satan.
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Hi Gina,
I probably shouldn’t say anything here because I’m not that familiar with this subject but I do know a couple of things , I know God created Satan as the serpent. I now believe because of scripture that Satan is a spirit being but I don’t know if all spirits are referred to as angels .
I will say this thread is getting interesting to me as this is also a great subject to learn about,
I do hope we can all learn together in love.
God bless.
Gina:
--- Quote from: Rick on July 20, 2015, 06:48:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: Gina on July 20, 2015, 06:45:29 PM ---John, the angels that Jesus was made lower than were those who were the RULING CLASS AUTHORITIES. From our relative perspective, He was made "for a little while" lower than the earthly ruling authorities who got their power from Satan and not from God. But Christ was not at any time really and truly lower than these ruling authorities.
Isaiah 53:4
3He was despised and forsaken of MEN, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and WE did not esteem Him.
4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; Yet WE OURSELVES esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted.
THAT is how he was made lower than the angels / "ministering servants" / CHARLATANS / religious hypocrites.
Because THEY THEMSELVES esteemed Him stricken of God and afflicted (mentally ill!).
Was Jesus Christ MENTALLY ILL, John?
This is my last reply to you. You need to have your head examined if you actually think that Jesus Christ was really lower than Satan.
--- End quote ---
Hi Gina,
I probably shouldn’t say anything here because I’m not that familiar with this subject but I do know a couple of things , I know God created Satan as the serpent. I now believe because of scripture that Satan is a spirit being but I don’t know if all spirits are referred to as angels .
I will say this thread is getting interesting to me as this is also a great subject to learn about,
I do hope we can all learn together in love.
God bless.
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That's okay, Rick. I believe you are definitely on the right track. Kat gave some very good points and I can't find any fault with them either.
Satan is the "god of this world," so how could Jesus say before he died and resurrected:
John 16:33 "I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."
Before He was hung on the cross and died and resurrected, and before Satan entered Judas who betrayed him, Jesus said I have already CONQUERED the world? But how could that be when Jesus was "made for a little while lower than the angels"?
rick:
--- Quote from: Gina on July 20, 2015, 07:15:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on July 20, 2015, 06:48:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: Gina on July 20, 2015, 06:45:29 PM ---John, the angels that Jesus was made lower than were those who were the RULING CLASS AUTHORITIES. From our relative perspective, He was made "for a little while" lower than the earthly ruling authorities who got their power from Satan and not from God. But Christ was not at any time really and truly lower than these ruling authorities.
Isaiah 53:4
3He was despised and forsaken of MEN, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and WE did not esteem Him.
4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; Yet WE OURSELVES esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted.
THAT is how he was made lower than the angels / "ministering servants" / CHARLATANS / religious hypocrites.
Because THEY THEMSELVES esteemed Him stricken of God and afflicted (mentally ill!).
Was Jesus Christ MENTALLY ILL, John?
This is my last reply to you. You need to have your head examined if you actually think that Jesus Christ was really lower than Satan.
--- End quote ---
Hi Gina,
I probably shouldn’t say anything here because I’m not that familiar with this subject but I do know a couple of things , I know God created Satan as the serpent. I now believe because of scripture that Satan is a spirit being but I don’t know if all spirits are referred to as angels .
I will say this thread is getting interesting to me as this is also a great subject to learn about,
I do hope we can all learn together in love.
God bless.
--- End quote ---
That's okay, Rick. I believe you are definitely on the right track. Kat gave some very good points and I can't find any fault with them either.
Satan is the "god of this world," so how could Jesus say before he died and resurrected:
John 16:33 "I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."
Before He was hung on the cross and died and resurrected, and before Satan entered Judas who betrayed him, Jesus said I have already CONQUERED the world? But how could that be when Jesus was "made for a little while lower than the angels"?
--- End quote ---
Hi again Gina,
You ask a valid question no doubt, that scripture your talking about is Joh 16:33 I have said all these things to you so that in me you may have peace. In the world you have trouble: but take heart! I have overcome the world.
I know Ray said that Christ could not sin because God did not send any causes to cause Christ to sin yet we do know Christ was tempted like any other person, at least I believe He was tempted in the same way I would be tempted but never gave in.
Christ did say that He and the Father were one, maybe that’s the answer, being one with the Father, Christ was one with the Father and it was the Father that worked through Christ and so then Christ could say He has overcome the world because it was the Father who overcame the world.
Christ said He could do nothing on His own but with the Father He could indeed overcome the world.
dave:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on July 20, 2015, 12:18:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on July 20, 2015, 09:51:13 AM ---Where/how did the adversary's gender come from? Is there a scripture that identifies the enemy as a "he"? Been curious for awhile. Thanks
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The truth is that the Scriptures do not give us a detailed discussion or answer regarding the gender or sexual differences of angels, if any.
In the Book of Job they are called sons of God. Elsewhere they have a masculine reference. Any girl angels? None mentioned in the Scriptures.
However, there is a Scripture that says the things seen (physical) can give us an idea of things unseen (spiritual). One pervasive aspect of human kind and animal kind, and even plant kind, is the aspect of male and female. God created them male and female.
Does that mean angels are male and female? Do not know. Scriptures don't say for sure.
Some will say that Jesus said the angels do not marry, which is true. However that does not mean that angels do not have sex differences since marriage and sex are two different things. You can have one without the other.
There are a whole lot of things we have to learn in the ages to come.
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I believe what you say stands sound, beyond all the assumptions and interpretations man has come to.
Angels are by definition "messengers," just the translation of the word angels as angels erupts imagination. Which I believe investigates man/our/carnal imagination as to just what a celestial being is, as far as I know it is a host.
There is much in the Word, that man has made understood to man and that explains a lot to his/man understanding to what scripture is telling us.
I know the enemy-adversary-opponent is a very REAL spirit/being and has been given great power, yet the power of the enemy-adversary-opponent has been GIVEN....there are bounds set, SET by I Am I AM.
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