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The devil made me do it !
Kat:
--- Quote from: Gina on July 20, 2015, 07:15:33 PM ---
Satan is the "god of this world," so how could Jesus say before he died and resurrected:
John 16:33 "I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."
Before He was hung on the cross and died and resurrected, and before Satan entered Judas who betrayed him, Jesus said I have already CONQUERED the world? But how could that be when Jesus was "made for a little while lower than the angels"?
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Here is a thought on this, Gina.
Luke 4:1 And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan, and was led in the Spirit in the wilderness 2 during forty days, being tempted of the devil...
Luke 4:13 And when the Devil had ended every (Strong's - all, any, every, the whole:) temptation, he departed from Him for a time.
v. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee...
I believe the temptations that Christ went through alone in the desert represented "every/all temptation" of the flesh... so that is how He could say "I have overcome the world" and what Christ was saying there continues over in the next chapter 17, all this He spoke 'before' His crucifixion.
John 16:33 These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."
John 17:4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
John 17:13 But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves.
John 17:16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Mike Gagne:
Hi You All!
John from Kentucky maybe judge whats in your heart, because I am sure you don't know anyone elses and quit saying negative things about others you sound like a school yard bully....
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Michael G on July 20, 2015, 10:31:02 PM ---Hi You All!
John from Kentucky maybe judge whats in your heart, because I am sure you don't know anyone elses and quit saying negative things about others you sound like a school yard bully....
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I guess it's a good thing for me that there is no eternal hell fire. ???
However, you should read the link below. I'm a pussycat compared to how Jesus spoke.
http://bible-truths.com/fools.htm
And old roofer Ray could make some choice comments.
Gina:
--- Quote from: Kat on July 20, 2015, 09:33:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: Gina on July 20, 2015, 07:15:33 PM ---
Satan is the "god of this world," so how could Jesus say before he died and resurrected:
John 16:33 "I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."
Before He was hung on the cross and died and resurrected, and before Satan entered Judas who betrayed him, Jesus said I have already CONQUERED the world? But how could that be when Jesus was "made for a little while lower than the angels"?
--- End quote ---
Here is a thought on this, Gina.
Luke 4:1 And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan, and was led in the Spirit in the wilderness 2 during forty days, being tempted of the devil...
Luke 4:13 And when the Devil had ended every (Strong's - all, any, every, the whole:) temptation, he departed from Him for a time.
v. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee...
I believe the temptations that Christ went through alone in the desert represented "every/all temptation" of the flesh... so that is how He could say "I have overcome the world" and what Christ was saying there continues over in the next chapter 17, all this He spoke 'before' His crucifixion.
John 16:33 These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."
John 17:4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
John 17:13 But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves.
John 17:16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Thank you and I agree with that.
This is the email where Ray said that Satan means angel/messenger:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2109.msg17078.html#msg17078
John said that Jesus was under the subjection of Satan. But Satan is the prince of this world. Jesus said:
But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. (John 8:23)
John 3:31
The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is ABOVEall.
I want to make it clear that only those in the world are under the subjection (oppression) of Satan and his deceitful workers. Jesus Christ never was of this world so he could not have been oppressed by Satan. He was releasing captives who were oppressed by Satan. If Christ was oppressed (held CAPTIVE) by Satan, Christ could not have done one thing to free one person.
Gina:
John 17:14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.
So therefore, those who trust in God are not of this world, they are not under Satan or his deceitful workers' subjection (oppressed) (messengers/"angels of light"). They are Christ's, and as such - they have ministering angels.
Romans 8
35 What shall be separating us from the love of God in Christ Jesus? Affliction, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36 According as it is written that "On Thy account we are being put to death the whole day, We are reckoned as sheep for slaughter." 37 Nay! in all these we are more than conquering through Him Who loves us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor messengers, nor sovereignties, nor the present, nor what is impending, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus, our Lord."
Paul could say that after having been tormented by a messenger of Satan. Even Paul was not oppressed.
So there ya go. I hope that made sense and was clear and helped someone besides me.
God bless. I'm finished here.
Gina
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