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John from Kentucky:
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--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on July 22, 2015, 11:34:47 AM ---
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2109.0.html
[2] Satan is an "angel" which means "messenger" in both Hebrew and Greek (II Cor. 11:14).
The above is a direct quote from Ray Smith. But to listen to some of the scriptural scholars and teachers among us, I guess Ray is wrong. Oh well, what can you expect from a mere roofer. ;D
I thought one reason for this Forum was to discuss the scriptural understandings of Ray Smith. ???
People like to say they appreciate the teachings of Ray. They like to say they know and believe in the Scriptures. They like to say how much they love people, and how humble they are, and how good they are.
One thing I learned from Ray, and Jesus, and the Spirit of God. Most people, the Many, are full of spiritual crap, and they do not like it when they are exposed.
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Hi John,
I agree with Kat, just wanted you to understand that, Ray explained to all of us about the twelve spiritual truths, did Ray explain these things so we could not advance in knowledge ?
If someone starts talking to us in a direction that leads us away from the truth then we can deal with that lying spirit at the time we discover it.
I wonder how much Ray would of understood the things of God if he were told not to deviate from the teachings of Christendom ?
I believe you understand John, don’t be afraid to grow in knowledge and truth beyond Ray, he gave us enough to go on and grow, its like Kat said we stand behind Ray, John, but there is something more important than Ray here, and that would be Christ, why hinder the spirit ?
I do commend you for your loyalty to Ray but you know John, your not the only one loyal to Ray John, but our loyalty should be to Christ and Christ only, if you feel diffident I’ll not argue with you, go for it.
ct 5:39 However, if it's from God, you won't be able to stop them. You may even discover that you're fighting against God."
You’re a smart man John, in the things of God, no doubt.
Take care John and God bless you.
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Hello Rick,
I follow Jesus. One thing I disagreed with Ray on was Ray calling himself a teacher. I have Scripture that says only Jesus is our teacher.
But be that as it may, Ray was a powerful expounder of God's Word. He was especially strong in providing at least two witnesses of Scripture on the points he was making. It was the Scriptures and God's Spirit that made Ray's statements powerful.
And before you think Ray was wrong in the email I quoted, you should become more learned in the Scriptures yourself. Ray does have at least two Scriptures to support his statement in that email. I know those Scriptures, do you? Before you reject what Ray wrote, you should find those Scriptures and see if you can refute them.
A lot of the chatter on here is based on personality. Who likes who.
But a true man of God follows that Scripture that says we should tremble at God's Word. My advice to you is to put God and His Word first in your life, before supposed teachings of men.
Let me let you in on a secret. The Many, both here and in the World, do not follow the two witnesses. What they will do is do a scripture dump, where they will quote many Scriptures, then proceed to give you their opinions on what the Scriptures mean.
Do not be deceived.
What Ray showed us is that one needs at least two Scriptures to establish a Truth. The two Scriptures do not need interpretation. The Two Scriptures, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, will clearly show the Truth and it will not contradict any other Scripture. God does not lie and His Word does not lie. Those are paramount Truths as old roofer Ray said.
But some here will admit they do not know the Scriptural answer on something, then proceed to quote Scriptures, then give us their opinion. The blind follow the blind.
Put so called teachers to a test. Ask them to provide the Two Witnesses to their statements. Two clear Scriptures. Most cannot or will not do that.
Compare the clarity of what Ray wrote to the confused ramblings of many teacher wannabes.
Before you throw Ray aside, for more truth, make sure you know where you are being led. Just sayin.
May God bless your path too,
John
lilitalienboi16:
JFK,
I love you man. Your humility is an inspiration ;) :D :D :P
Gina:
I just thought of something...Jesus said we will know them by their fruit.
Jesus didn't say we would know them for what they really are (deceitful spirits / deceitful workers / workers of lawlessness) by their appearance. Because you can't know them by their appearance -- they're wolves disguised in sheep's clothing; wolves masquerading as sheep/shepherds. They're darnel which looks very similar in appearance to the true wheat.
Jesus didn't say that we would know them by what name or title they go by or by what name or title anyone gives them. We will know them for what they truly are (deceitful workers of lawlessness) by their fruit.
Jesus didn't say we would know them by the positions of authority they slither into.
We will know them for what they truly are by their fruit.
rick:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on July 22, 2015, 09:55:14 PM ---JFK,
I love you man. Your humility is an inspiration ;) :D :D :P
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Hi Alex,
We all appreciate your admiration and love for our brother J from K , but why not add to this tread and let the rest of us know what your take is on the subject.
But to only say ( I love you man ) well ,what are we to do with that? Just wondering my brother in Christ.
Gina:
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Matt 24:24
The comforting news is: If you're an elect, it is not possible to be deceived or come under the spell of these false workers, false messiahs, and false prophets (you will never worship them or be led astray by them, so be of good cheer).
(They deceive themselves, so be sober, be vigilant. Believe that if Bible-truths was to fold and go up in smoke tomorrow (not that I wish that), God would see you through. He will never forsake you.)
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