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I will pour out My spirit on all flesh...
rick:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on July 24, 2015, 06:18:34 PM ---
Perhaps, but if that is the case, the scriptures already speak of a first ressurection, and its the ressurection of the elect which pertains to a yet future event
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I agree with you Alex but it’s the only thing I could think of that would in someway vindicate Ian from straying from scripture. If he is looking at it from the point of view I suggested , then that would make sense why he thinks the first resurrection has already taken place but only in the sense I mentioned .
But there were people back in Paul’s day who claimed the resurrection has already happen and here is what scripture says about it below.
Ti 2:18 men who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already, and overthrow the faith of some.
indianabob:
Hey Gents and Ladies,
I'm getting a little confused at your confusion, if that is what it is. ???
When Father God calls us we receive "an earnest" of the spirit of God to help us to begin to understand and to pique our curiosity. At that point, Father God has given us to Christ to work with through the operation of the holy spirit in our lives. It is an earnest, a sign, the promise of future work to be done in us. It is just a tiny little bit of God's spirit.
Only Jesus the son of God had the holy spirit in full measure...
Jesus said that none of those that Father God gives to Jesus will he in any way lose.
So to me that indicates a work that is being done in us by Christ until it is finished.
It is not finished until we die, physically!
During this whole time that Jesus is working in us and on us we continue to sin...
We are flesh and blood we cannot resist sin perfectly, PERIOD!
AND we certainly have come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23
So we die; then, in our next conscious moment we will be resurrected at Jesus' return.
It is at that moment and not sooner that we are given our spirit composed body.
It is from that moment on that we are free from sin.
It is a gift, a miracle of God through HIS spirit and not based upon anything we have done.
God has not called only those that God believes have a reasonable chance of making it into His Kingdom as elect leaders and servants of everyone else.
No, God has called the scum of the earth humanly speaking, the bottom of the barrel so to speak, those that need a lot of work to improve even a little.
God is going to show HIS glory by the miracle he will do in each of our lives, by making a useful vessel out of plain clay (dirt).
Everyone else will be dealt with later according to God's perfect plan.
Romans 8:23
Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.
2 Corinthians 5:5
Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
Ephesians 1:14
who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession--to the praise of his glory.
Mike Gagne:
Nicely said indianaBob, I agree. When Jesus is done his work then you probably wont live much longer and you will die physically and your next moment of consciousness will be in a glorified spiritual body. There seems to be some that think there knowledge will get them to where they think there going! Its like you said its the scum of the earth....
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
lest we think we are greater than anyone here!...
1 Corinthians 4:6-8 (KJV)
6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
In Christ
Ian 155:
I refer to things spiritual... it is difficult when writing to express exactly what one is trying to say. That is due to different minds which interpret statements and words differently,ye even verses.
If you are and perceive this DAY as a literal day and the clouds as literal clouds then so be it
I am positive that the person who "doesn't know what I am on about" may not, for the following verses and the persons who do know, do so for the 2nd half of the verse below.(if that does come across as arrogant it is not meant with an arrogant heart)
Mat 13:15 For stoutened is the heart of this people, And with their ears heavily they hear, And with their eyes they squint, Lest at some time they may be perceiving with their eyes, And with their ears should be hearing, And with their heart may be understanding, And should be turning about, And I shall be healing them.'"
Mat 13:16 Yet happy are your eyes, for they are observing, and your ears, for they are hearing."
Mat 13:17 For verily I am saying to you that many prophets and just men yearn to perceive what you are observing, and perceive not, and to hear what you are hearing, and hear not."
some of the verses that changed my mindset from the DAY theories please note this is how I see these scriptures, so take care as i may as i often have,be wrong in which case i am man enough to repent openly
Pertaining to the DAY of the Lord
Mat 24:5 For many shall be coming in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ!' and shall be deceiving many." This is happening has happened and will happen that is many say, Jesus is Lord/the Christ
Mat 24:6 Yet you shall be about to be hearing battles, and tidings of battles. See that you are not alarmed, for it must be occurring; but not as yet is the consummation."
and this spiritually in us there is a huge war and wars re the scriptures and the understanding of them
Mat 24:7 For roused shall be a nation against a nation, and a kingdom against a kingdom, and there shall be famines and quakes in places."
do your own families rise against you ? are you not getting sufficient understanding of the word (famine) are you sometimes jolted to your core when you perceive a new meaning of scripture ?
Just a small interjection... did you notice the earthquake at the cross, actually interfered with the soldiers belief system and caused him to say "Surely this was the son of God"
Mat 24:8 Yet all these are the beginning of pangs.
if so this is the beginning of christ becoming you
Mat 24:9 Then shall they be giving you up to affliction, and they shall be killing you, and you shall be hated by all of the nations because of My name."
affliction ? what dat ? do they kill you with their words?do they scorn you when you speak of your interpretation ? are you hated by them and there is no physical rationale or reason you can place your finger on ?
Mat 24:10 And then many shall be snared, and they shall be giving one another up and hating one another."
do you really think you would go to physical jail when this happens ?
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall be roused, and shall be deceiving many."
Look on tv and the internet even better is a good look in "you"
Mat 24:12 And, because of the multiplication of lawlessness, the love of many shall be cooling."
what do you see lawlessness as ? running a red light ?
Mat 24:13 Yet he who endures to the consummation, he shall be saved."
how do we endure the relentless trials we face ? "we shall overcome",or "they overcame"
Mat 24:14 And heralded shall be this evangel of the kingdom in the whole inhabited earth for a testimony to all the nations, and then the consummation shall be arriving."
is the earth the globe ? is it you ? will you be a testimony ? or could it be the understanding of the cross and once understood, the consummation of all you know will be apparent, all you have been taught will come together
Mat 24:15 Whenever, then, you may be perceiving the abomination of desolation, which is declared through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him who is reading apprehend!);"Like Ray said you can know.... was daniel really in the holy place?was he able to write so it is apparent to all?
Mat 24:16 then let those in Judea flee into the mountains. what does judea stand for/represent ? what is a mountain ?
Mat 24:17 Let him who is on the housetop not descend to take away the things out of his house.
Really, a physical house, removing Physical furniture and clothing ?
Mat 24:18 And let him who is in the field not turn back behind him to pick up his cloak.
what cloak does a farm labourer wear ?
Mat 24:19 Now woe to those who are pregnant and those suckling in those days!"
pregnant with who ? feeding who ?
Mat 24:20 Now be praying that your flight may not be occurring in winter, nor yet on a sabbath,
fight 274 departing in winter on Saturday ?
Mat 24:21 for then shall be great affliction, such as has not occurred from the beginning of the world till now; neither under any circumstances may be occurring." when is ones beginning and is "Till now" a lie ?
Mat 24:22 And, except those days were discounted, no flesh at all would be saved. Yet, because of the chosen, those days shall be discounted." who is the chosen one ?
Are His words spirit and does the spiritual understanding bring one life and peace? well if so then i have more news
Heb 12:26 Whose voice then moved the earth; but now he promiseth, saying: Yet once more: and I will move, not only the earth, but heaven also.
so it seems even heavenly understanding will be moved
such is purification ...
1Co 15:51 Lo! a secret to you am I telling! We all, indeed, shall not be put to repose, yet we all shall be changed,
Ian 155:
--- Quote from: Rick on July 24, 2015, 04:59:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on July 24, 2015, 04:48:39 PM ---Well I'm not entirely sure what Ian is going on about with the "future day/ eon" concept but the scriptures certainly speak of a comming ressurection of the dead,
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Hi Alex,
Everyone is born spiritually dead in this life so God the Father would need to quicken ones spirit in order for one to follow Christ.
Maybe Ian is seeing that as the first resurrection, which in a way it could be look at in that way.
Being spiritually dead to spiritually alive. Maybe that’s what Ian is saying.
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