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Longing for the Kingdom
Kat:
Hi lauriellen, I would agree that our primary concern should be "how we should be living now" to all those striving to learn and obey these truths.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Yes the internet is a means for "this gospel to be preached to all the world as a witness," but actually this has been a intense mission of the church through the centuries, and if you think how they have carried the Bible into many parts of the world. If you think about what this gospel is technically the literal account describing the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth found is Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The New Testament Bible is the "witness" - attests to the fact or event, telling the story of Christ Jesus. I might add in many cases it was done in anything but the spirit of love, per se the crusades. Their motivation may have been to 'save' people, but in actuality they have accomplished getting the gospel out around the world.
Now I'm not talking about the gospel (literal/physical message) as the truth (spiritual message) here, not at all, the truth is accomplished by a whole different means. Anyway just thought I would add this to the conversation.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
John from Kentucky:
Well I absolutely disagree that the Church has proclaimed the Gospel.
The Church is a great evil. As Ray has written, and as shown in the Book of Revelation, it is Satan who rules in the Church.
Jesus walked among the seven candlesticks, which signified the Church, but Jesus did not rule in the Church. Satan rules the Church.
Satan is a liar and the father of lies. Satan cannot speak the truth because the truth is not in him.
Satan will not allow his followers in the Church to speak truth.
As Ray said, the Church does not even teach one truth. Some will say that the Church teaches that Jesus died for our sins. But that is a lie. They do not believe that Jesus actually died. They believe that Jesus had an immortal soul that did not die.
Also, the Church does not proclaim the Gospel. They do not know what the Gospel is.
The Scriptures tell us what the Gospel is.
And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed." Galatians 3:8
Later on in the Book of Galatians Paul teaches the truth that neither Abraham or Isaac are important.
The Seed of Abraham is One Seed and is not Isaac, but Jesus.
The Great Anointed One, the Almighty God, the Seed Jesus will bless and save all nations. No one will be left out. That is the Gospel, the very Good News for all mankind.
But the great false Church teaches a lie. They teach that some will be saved and others will be punished in eternal hell fire. This Church lies. This Church follows its leader Satan.
This is why Jesus' message to His called out ones in the Book of Revelation is, "Come out of her My people".
We need to follow Jesus, the Great King, and follow Him, and His Words in the Scriptures. We need to reject anything not from Jesus.
zvezda:
--- Quote from: Kat on September 02, 2015, 06:27:59 PM ---
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Yes the internet is a means for "this gospel to be preached to all the world as a witness," but actually this has been a intense mission of the church through the centuries, and if you think how they have carried the Bible into many parts of the world. If you think about what this gospel is technically the literal account describing the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth found is Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The New Testament Bible is the "witness" - attests to the fact or event, telling the story of Christ Jesus.
--- End quote ---
Hi Kat, Mat 24:14 doesn't say "this gospel to be preached to all the world as a witness," it says "this gospel of the kingdom will be preached to all the world as a witness". What is the "gospel of the kingdom"?
Mat 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
Mat 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God
The gospel of the kingdom [of God] is something Jesus preached to the synagogues. Did He preach about His own death and resurrection to the synagogues? Ray said no.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6142.0.html
Okay the single most pat and concise answer you will get in all Christianity, it is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I’m not saying there is no truth to that being part of the gospel, but let me ask you this, in reference to that. Jesus Christ came preaching the gospel, right, did He come preaching His death, burial and resurrection? I mean throughout His whole ministry. What I’m saying is Jesus Christ came preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, did He go around Judea and Galilee teaching His death, burial and resurrection? Can you show me that any where in the Gospels, that He taught that? No. So what is the gospel? He taught the gospel, He preached the gospel, but He did not go around saying I’m going to die, you’re going to kill Me and I’m going to come back to life and then I’m going to save you.
I don't think Mat 24:14 has been fulfilled by the church. I do think it's been fulfilled by the internet, since now people around the world can access bible-truths.com. Ray did preach the gospel of the kingdom:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6142.0.html
Colin:
Replying to Longing for the Kingdom.......quote:I know that God is perfect in all of His ways, His timing is perfect, and it is selfish of me to wish this would all happen SOON, but I can help to earnestly pray THY KINGDOM COME, Thy will be done.
Whenever we watch the news and see the plight of people of all ages suffering from the ravages of war and fleeing for their lives, or see the squalor in which many eke out an existence on garbage piles, such sights give rise to an aching for an end to all this world’s troubles. Many, who have not the level of understanding we have been given, tend to turn their eyes away and seek relief in more pleasant and distracting activities that are less upsetting to them.
Paul drew a distinction between the experiencing of the calamities by the world in general, and our hopes.
Two different Greek words - sustenazo and stenazo - are used in Romans 8:22, but each has become “groaning” when translated into English.
The original Greek conveys, the entire creation is experiencing calamities and having birth pangs.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth [sustenazo] and travaileth in pain [sunodino] together until now.
Paul then mentions those who have more understanding of the Spirit.
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan [stenazo] within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
This Greek word, I read, includes the meaning of praying as we groan, sigh. It differs from simply being burdened and feeling hopeless.
Because we have been granted to know what is guaranteed to happen, we wait……for our change and the subsequent stages of God’s plan for this planet and its inhabitants.
Romans 8 :26 CLT Now, similarly, the spirit also is aiding our infirmity, for what we should be praying for, to accord with what must be, we are not aware, but the spirit itself is pleading for us with inarticulate groanings [stenagmos] ."
Another Greek word is used here and carries the meaning “sighings”.
I left out verse 25, so as to have it concentrate on how we are to wait, until Christ’s return.
Romans 8:25 KJV But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
We can find many verses containing the word “patience” in the New Testament. It is a requirement in our being modelled into the “image of God”.
Rom 15:5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
The development of patience is taking a lifetime for me …it is not something we can “work up” by ourselves… I still have a long way to go. As we practise it toward one another, it helps us to patiently await the next age that we yearn for.
When I read what Paul wrote to Titus, one of his latest letters, I wonder if Paul reflected that it had taken him some time to be patient, just as I, (now an old man) look back and see how long it has been, while being moulded to become (somewhat) patient.
Titus 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
Thank you all for being patient with me, until I work out how to become more proficient at this forum.
santgem:
.............................the gospel is this message that Jesus Christ is going to raise the dead, heal the spiritually sick, give spiritual sight to the spiritual blind and be a blessing to all nations, all of these things........................................... :) ;)
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