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rick:



I’m not sure if its ok to speak of the things that are on my mind because we live in a society that is politically correct, political correctness stifles one from expressing their thoughts.

The things I learned from Ray on this website about God is opposite from that which I learned from Christendom. What I would like to say is, as I learn about God and His plan for all humanity I learn things about myself, sometimes I wonder if all this is more about us rather than about God.

There was once a time in my life I thought I was on top of the world but had a fear of death today I don’t have a fear of death but see myself at the bottom of the world.

I’ve come to understand if I break one law of God I have broken all the laws of God because I am a law breaker, I’ve come to see myself as poor and naked and wretched, I am no better than the worst of the worst, that’s my status, for there is no good thing that dwells in me. 

According to the old testament adultery could only be committed by the physical act but in the new testament Jesus said that if a man looks upon a women as to want her he has already committed adultery.

I don’t believe I’m alone on this however that really is irrelevant because I cannot measure myself to anyone because that is saying God  I’m not like that one or the other one.

I seem to have this sexual appetite that is a thorn in my side, its not that I practice this appetite outwardly in a physical way but its rather something my thoughts are always confronted with, although I would like to be free from it I find I’m in bondage to it.

I ask myself where do all things originate from including my thoughts?  I remember Ray saying that everything we do, think and say come from causes, what ever I do or think and say is only because something caused me to.

God is the cause of all things ultimately so God is reasonable and  I’m the effect of God’s causes and held accountable for not only my actions but my thoughts as well.

I don’t know what it is that I’m suppose to learn or understand having this thorn in my side I only know it a plague to me but a plague that will ultimately make me in the image of God.

Of all the things I don’t know in this life this I do know that I am poor and naked and wretched but I’m not without hope for I know God will deliver me and save me from myself and I shall be in His image and then my image will cease to exist because God said Gen 22:18  And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed. Because thou hast obeyed my voice.

arion:
I've been re-reading the LOF series once again and specifically the 'myth of free will' sections in #15.  He goes over some of the thing that you [and I, us] are dealing with here.  It might be beneficial to go over these again as there is always something new that we never saw before or that we had forgotten.  Might be worth another look.

indianabob:
Hello Rick,
Thanks for the important topic.
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God made us to have to struggle...
It is the struggle that builds character.
Character is not built by a single, sincere decision to stop sinning.
Sinning is in our nature and will always be with us until God changes our nature.
So character is built by a "lifetime" of overcoming something.

What we learn during our lifetime of overcoming is that we are weak and unable to overcome on our own strength. That is one of the lessons God needs for us to learn and to make a part of our character.

We need God! No matter how successful we may be in other endeavors, building character requires practice and practicing with God's help. The more we achieve the more God places before us, for our benefit.

So for most of us, perhaps all of us, God will not remove the struggle.
It is our pathway to glory and we should embrace it every morning as we face the new day, acknowledging our need for God and welcoming the character building struggle HE has assigned to the sons he loves.

Indiana Bob

rick:

--- Quote from: Arion on August 31, 2015, 06:03:43 AM ---I've been re-reading the LOF series once again and specifically the 'myth of free will' sections in #15.  He goes over some of the thing that you [and I, us] are dealing with here.  It might be beneficial to go over these again as there is always something new that we never saw before or that we had forgotten.  Might be worth another look.

--- End quote ---


Hi Arion,

 I agree that Rays writings are always worth looking over, I remember Ray once said in his writings to think about if you ever made an uncaused choice for a couple of years and how he could do a 50 pg essay on just one human eye let alone two side by side giving us a 3d effect.

There is so much information on this website that could take years or even a lifetime to understand and then all these truths just get deeper as one meditates on them.

We talk about the things Ray taught us but never mention much about where these teachings take us or what our experiences are or what we go through, perhaps there just isn’t enough time or maybe it could be pride that prevents us from doing so.

I remember when I was apart of Christendom and going to the church gatherings how we all acted like we were good people and that everything was just fine but inwardly we all knew something was not right and we all lived with the fear of eternal damnation always hoping our good deeds out weight our bad deeds.

God has brought me a long way from those days and its teachings by willing me here on this site, with all the things I learned here I still know nothing in comparison to all of Gods truths which I would assume go beyond all the things Ray has taught because there is no end to our God or our understanding of God at least in this life or this side of the resurrection.

I really understand why I am as I am or think as I think and I understand God is the giving cause in all things, I don’t believe its enough to say I’ve sinned and apologize and move on in fact our sins have already been forgiven long before we were born.

What is one to understand through sin ? I do understand God is ultimately the cause of all things , I understand I’m to spiritually weak to abort, I understand we are being made in the image of God and that we are here for an experience of good and evil and free will is only a hoax.


Sometimes I think our sins are there to keep us humble, to lets us know we don’t run the show and that our lives really are in the hands of God and He truly rules all things and not us.

Thanks Arion, I will take your suggestion and read ( myth of free will section in #15 ) and I must say it does bother me to say I will do this or that because now I’m standing in the temple of God declaring to be God by doing so. You see, there is no end to sin no mater what we think, do or say we are all guilty before God.

I see I’m physical having a spiritual experience of both good and evil.

God bless.

rick:

--- Quote from: indianabob on August 31, 2015, 08:58:31 AM ---Hello Rick,
Thanks for the important topic.
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God made us to have to struggle...
It is the struggle that builds character.


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Hi Bob,

Thanks you for the beautiful explanation Bob, sometimes we need to hear things from a different perspective a different analogy to help with our understanding.

Everyone has their own unique way of explaining things but not everyone has the ability to help all another with their understanding , for this cause its good to receive different responses from other members here.

I like how you said God makes us struggle and that struggling builds character, I certainly hope you don’t think I’m boasting but I do see there are things that use to be in my life which are no more.

This talk of character building I can relate to as being made in the image of God but still sinning not being in the fulness of His image, I do see by the grace of God I’m not quite the same as I once was in some areas of my life or I should say in my thoughts or perception of God and life.

I like the title of a song done by the Beatles ( the long and winding road ) the title does represent our lives because the road in front of us does seem long with many curve balls thrown in the mix.

Thanks again Bob.

God bless.

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