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Scriptures or not scripture is the question?
Kat:
Hi Rick,
Rom 13:1 All of you must obey the government rulers. Everyone who rules was given the power to rule by God. And all those who rule now were given that power by God.
v. 2 So anyone who is against the government is really against something God has commanded. Those who are against the government bring punishment on themselves.
v. 3 People who do right don't have to fear the rulers. But those who do wrong must fear them. Do you want to be free from fearing them? Then do only what is right, and they will praise you. (Easy Read Version)
In looking over this passage in Romans 13, it seems to me all this is saying is to live a peaceful life and not stir up trouble. Keeping the peace is primarily what the law enforcement is all about, and it is necessary for society, which is exactly what Romans 13 is saying. Certainly there is corruption in law enforcement, as there is in any worldly organization, that is not the discussion. And Paul gave these kinds of instructions in other places as well.
1Thess 4:9 But concerning brotherly love you have no need that I should write to you, for you yourselves are taught by God to love one another;
v. 10 and indeed you do so toward all the brethren who are in all Macedonia. But we urge you, brethren, that you increase more and more;
v. 11 that you also aspire to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you,
v. 12 that you may walk properly toward those who are outside, and that you may lack nothing.
Now verse 17 you brought up from Hebrews 13 is a whole other discussion, because that passage is speaking to and about the brethren, not at all about the law enforcement of the world. Here is what it says earlier in the passage.
Heb 13:7 Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the word of God to you, whose faith follow, considering the outcome of their conduct.
Heb 13:17 Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.
Now it certainly is your prerogative to find others to speak about politics with, since you find fault here, but there is nothing in this passage that I can see that needs to bring politics into it. So I think our desire to keep politics off this forum is proper, there certainly is no reason to do so here.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lilitalienboi16:
Hi Kat,
I am in agreement with you. I too was and do see Hebrews from the perspective of the brethren and the church of The Living God. Certainly not speaking about curropt politicians or even the leaders from the synogogue of satan. This is exemplified by the scriptures of when Korah and them withstood Moses and Aaron in an attempt to wrest power for themselves. God condemned their behavior and they payed for it with their lives.
What paul says in Romans I feel is strongly echoed by how Christ reacted to Pilate and also how King Nebechanezer was the one placed over babylon which was used to take the isrealites into captivity. Daniel understood and he acted righteously during his time in captviity according to God's wisdom.
I am grateful that politics is not allowed here. It makes me sick to my stomach, seeing the endless carnal disputations, even because it incites the worste in me as my own carnal self is still dying. I yearn for the kingdom of God. A city not built by the hands of men.
God bless,
Alex
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: Rick on September 05, 2015, 06:16:59 PM ---
So, I’m wondering if these scriptures are being added to the word of God ?
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None of these (or any part of them) is on the 'list of spurious scriptures' in the B-T Forum Indexes and Info.
John from Kentucky:
The Jewish historian Josephus wrote about political activity and turmoil going on in Palestine in the 1st Century A.D., in and around the time of Jesus.
It makes for fascinating reading with political intrigue and activity and rebellions occurring then, which reminds me of modern day events.
However, in the New Testament there are almost no references to the political events going on then, except for a minor reference here and there. I think that shows what God thinks of mankind's politics when almost nothing is mentioned of political events in His New Testament Scriptures.
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: Rick on September 08, 2015, 04:57:39 PM ---Hi Alex,
There are some things I would like to say to help me with my understanding however the conversation would turn political which as you know is not going to happen on this forum.
I feel my hands are tied behind my back on this forum with this topic so I found another forum where I can explore the things of God and my understanding of scripture without condemnation.
Thanks anyways Alex.
God bless.
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Again Rick - Why did you not simply PM Alex? Why do you feel the need to complain publicly? It reminds me of my three year old granddaughter when she doesn't get her own your way.
No one is condemning you. You agreed to follow the rules when you joined this forum. You need to keep your word.
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