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MG:
--- Quote --- Matthew 15:18-20
18But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
--- End quote ---
I think sin and my old nature go way beyond what I try to do or what I try to change about myself. Even if I perform better that doesn't make me better. If I break the least of the commandments I am guilty of breaking all of them. I am guilty and there is no changing that if I live by the law. I don't think trying to live better is the answer. We enter in by faith.
--- Quote ---Romans 2:28-29
28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
--- End quote ---
Only God is good. I am not good. I just don't know how I can say I'm in Christ without being a liar according to those scriptures in 1 John. I think I read in one of Ray's emails that God sees us through his son, but why would those scriptures in 1 John be written to Christians? There seems to be a lot of scriptures that talk all about faith and no free-will and then there are many scriptures telling us what we have to do. I don't know the answer.
ned:
All is in God's timing, that to me is the parameter of our choices.
Only He knows when I will overcome sin, each sin I overcome is removing a layer of my flesh, because I conform to His will, not mine.
For all the verses that tell us HOW (set your affection on things above) to act and WHAT (put off anger, wrath, malice, etc..) to do: could it be for our MINDS? we can THINK on these things, we will then have the mind of Christ. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. When we constantly are thinking on these heavenly things, and not earthly, we in turn start to ACT them out(?), thus not doing OUR will, but our Lord's.
Peace,
Marie
Laren:
--- Quote from: Marie on August 15, 2006, 08:29:23 AM ---Only He knows when I will overcome sin, each sin I overcome is removing a layer of my flesh, because I conform to His will, not mine.
Peace,
Marie
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For me, I don't believe we, as flesh beings can ever overcome sin. Flesh/carnality can not be converted. The carnal mind is death. It has to die.
Only one has overcome the world, and it is Him. Him in you, by faith. Christ in you, your hope of glory.
1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faithu].
1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever.
Phi 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Phi 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
orion77:
(Rom 7:22) For I delight in the Law of God according to the inward man;
(Rom 7:23) but I see another law in my members having warred against the law of my mind, and taking me captive by the law of sin being in my members.
(Rom 7:24) O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
(Rom 7:25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then I myself with the mind truly serve the Law of God, and with the flesh the law of sin.
(Rom 8:1) There is therefore now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to flesh, but according to Spirit.
(Rom 8:2) For the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus set me free from the law of sin and of death.
(Rom 8:3) For the Law being powerless, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and concerning sin, condemned sin in the flesh,
(Rom 8:4) so that the righteous demand of the Law might be fulfilled in us, those not walking according to flesh, but according to Spirit.
I don't know of anyone who can honestly say they live a sinless life. We are free to confess our sins, and He will forgive us. Law of sin, and Law of faith, that law of sin seems akin to the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and the Law of faith seems akin to the Tree of Life.
He came not to abolish the law, but to fullfill the law. To get past the law of sin and to move onto the law of faith is easier said than done. The church world is so totally enveloped with the law of death with their condemnations, thank God He sent His Son not to condemn, but to save, to usher in a higher Spiritual Law, the new covenant.
All of the condemnations of the first law were fullfilled in Jesus, and in us when we follow Him and crucify the flesh. We are no longer under its power, but through faith we LIVE.
I've never been able to understand how one sinner can condemn another sinner, and now most here on this forum are out of that mess, and do not condemn others, yet we condemn ourselves. I guess it is better to judge ourselves than others.
A very tough subject, for sure.
God bless,
Gary
ned:
Thank you for clarifying and exhorting Joe, Gary, feat and all the other members who posted.
Clearly God has a lot left to do with me; a messy lump of clay.
Nonetheless, this morning I thanked Him yet again for this forum and bringing me to the truth through the members. Even though I may be only the toenail of the members, I purpose to hang on.
Rom7:16-18 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but how to perfect that which is good I find not.
I get it! Sin is in me, and will be while I am in the flesh, but my faith in Jesus (which is a gift from God - Praise Him!) is what gives me no condemnation.
Thanks.
Marie
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