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lauraathome2005:
Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Rom 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
Rom 4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb:
Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Blessings and love, laura
Harryfeat:
--- Quote from: Marie on August 14, 2006, 12:32:09 AM ---
--- Quote from: MG on August 13, 2006, 09:59:06 PM ---I know I am being led by the Spirit, but I don't know what it means to live and walk in the Spirit.
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I feel the same way, last year I so wanted to know what it mean to be "spiritual". I pondered on it for weeks, because I so had the desire to know God in my heart...of course, He put that desire there, and I think what I concluded was: to be spiritual meant to DO GOD'S WILL. I'm sure there is much more to it than that, but that conclusion gave me something to consciously go on...
1Pet2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men.
1Thes4:3-4 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: that every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour..vs. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
Eph5:17 Wherefore, be ye not unwise, understand what the will of the Lord is.
1Joh2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof, but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
I pray often that I would be worthy of my calling, and each time when I have done the Lord's will, I feel "spiritual". For all the times I live for my flesh and do my own will....I (hopefully) right away know it, God convicts my heart, and all I can do is pray the next time I will submit to Him and do His will instead.
Peace to you all.
Marie
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Hello Marie,
I found your choice of scripture interesting, especially 1Thes. The question 1Thes and other similar scripture raises in my mind is, if God wills anything, how can it not be so. If He wills us not to lie, steal, fornicate, etc. how is it possible that we can do anything else?
I have been studying the true nature of and definition of sin and its relation to God's will, and our will. I have currently reached an impasse. This impasse centers itself in the question of how the carnal mind can know and understand the spiritual. We can only pray that we are fully accepting God's will. We have no control over doing God's will since our having control would be somewhat of a contradiction.
We have been given imperfect vessels one and all. Not one of us is without sin. Not one of us is capable of understanding anything except with our "carnal" minds. Is it possible to understand the devine spirit with our inadequate, human minds?. Those with "ears to hear" and "eyes to see" are doing so through the opague window of their carnal minds and human form. What spirit even has eye and ears?
Your conclusion that to be spiritual is to do God's will is similar to where I have come to accepting this conundrum. The Lord's prayer sort of sums it all up in a nutshell. We can do no more than and only what God wills and pray that our acceptance of same is complete.
feat
chumkin:
HF.
your post reminded me of this:
1Cr 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
and in "context"/ subject matter; i love this:
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Cr 2:10 But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Cr 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Cr 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
1Cr 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Cr 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ
God bless
chuckt
ned:
Hi feat,
--- Quote from: Harryfeat on August 14, 2006, 11:27:39 AM ---Your conclusion that to be spiritual is to do God's will is similar to where I have come to accepting this conundrum. The Lord's prayer sort of sums it all up in a nutshell. We can do no more than and only what God wills and pray that our acceptance of same is complete. feat
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Thanks for sharing. I agree, we can do NO MORE than and only what God wills, of course, He is supreme and sovereign above all. We are on a journey in the flesh, and God which has begun a good work in us will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ (Phil 1:6).
I ponder my journey right now:
Jesus in me is transforming my mind so I am not conformed to this world (Rom12:2), I certainly used to walk according to the course of this world(Eph2:2).
1. I used to drink to the point of getting drunk (not an alcoholic, but a casual drinker who liked getting drunk from time to time). I have NO DESIRE to ever get drunk again (I can't speak for tomorrow), but I haven't been drunk for over a year.
2. Bad language was within my environment growing up, so I used to curse. While I don't curse as much as I used to, I certainly still do cuss a "bad word" from time to time, and when I do, I immediately feel BAD and ask God to forgive me. I know it's wrong...but I am still flesh, and yes I still sin....I have the hope, however that as promised, Jesus will finish His good work IN ME....and I will never swear again...in this life time? hopefully
So, I would say it is God's will that I don't get drunk (Eph5:18) or swear(Rom12:14), while my flesh seems to have overcome one, I am still being "worked on" for the other. Does that mean I should keep trying NOT to swear? Do I just sit back and wait until I stop?
These of course are just mere minor examples of being transformed and walking in the spirit as opposed to the flesh. Can you share your thoughts, or experiences on this, Feat? I would like to get it right and value your input.
Many thanks & may our good Lord reveal His truth regarding this, to us both.
Love,
Marie
Harryfeat:
Hello Marie,
I don't believe that using foul language is a sin unless is is meant to hurt someone. In my opinion it is merely rude and impolite . It also sounds like you are on your way to tapering off your dirinking so it sounds like you must be on the right path. Since you have basically solved your problems you must be nearly perfect already. ;)
I wish I could be a little more helpful than saying that I don't think anyone can tell you how to get it perfectly right. As I said above I am at an impasse and have lots and lots of questions. In keeping with forum rules I go elsewhere for most of my questions.
One of my own dilemmas is the degree of limits or constraints we have or the parameters we have in our choices. How wide are the parameters of our choices in our physical existence?
I dare not go on as I don't wish to unwittingly step in it big time.
Warmest regards
feat
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