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Kat:
--- Quote from: Rick on September 30, 2015, 10:32:27 PM ---When God calls us and imparts His spirit in us, is this a different spirit He imparts to our soul than the spirit that gives our body life when we become a living soul ?
If so, I think I understand how we can now live or have spiritual life now. To my understanding now I would think God is putting His Spirit in our soul, which is where we learn or in other words the seat of our soul. So now I see its possible to live a spiritual life even though we are carnal.
Does that make sense to you ?
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Hi Rick, we have numerous Scripture that clearly show that God does indeed give believers another aspect of His Spirit called the Holy Spirit. Also known by other names, one being the Comforter.
John 15:26 And when the Comforter(G3875) has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He shall testify of Me.
Strong's G3875 paraklētos - An intercessor, consoler: - advocate, comforter.
This same word (parakletos) also occurs in John 14:16, 26; 16:7; while translators use differing names, it is the Holy Spirit and the same Greek word is translated “Advocate” in 1John 2:1 which applies to Christ.
1John 2:1 My little children, I write these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate(G3875) with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
Christ plainly states that the Holy Spirit we receive is from Him... it is Christ that comes to indwell.
John 14:18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
Here is where Ray explained this.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html ---
Jesus Christ and God the Father ARE the Holy Spirit! Jesus Christ is that Spirit!
John 16:7 … I will send him (the Comforter) to you. v. 15 … He shall take of Mine, and shall show it unto you.
What is He going to take of Christ? His Spirit. Where did Christ get that Spirit? From God the Father. But He is going to take of Christ, because it’s going to be the personality of Christ, see.
Paul didn’t say, I’m crucified with God, nevertheless I live, yet not I, but the FATHER lives in me. No, it’s, “I have been crucified with CHRIST, nevertheless I live; yet not I, but CHRIST lives in me.” (Gal 2:20) But see it’s the personality of Christ, that is the spirit that lives in us and that spirit comes from God. So we can call it God’s Holy Spirit, even though it’s channeled through Christ. Jehovah /Elohim, God the Father(Elohim), you know.
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When Christ sent the Holy Spirit to the first believer it was done in a grand and wondrous way. I believe it was done this way at that time to show how special this is to a believer.
Acts 2:2 Suddenly, a sound like the roar of a mighty windstorm came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting.
v. 3 They saw tongues like flames of fire that separated, and one rested on each of them.
v. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other languages as the Spirit gave them that ability. (ISV)
Here's an excerpt where Ray spoke about this.
http://bible-truths.com/lake8.html ----------------------------------
On Pentecost, Jesus Christ came back to His disciples just as He said He would. He came back as the Comforter. Jesus said that they absolutely could NOT receive the Comforter until He went away. Why? Because Jesus Christ IS THE COMFORTER, but not in the flesh, but in THE SPIRIT!
It was on Pentecost that the first members of the Church of Christ received the Holy Spirit Comforter, just as He symbolized to them when He blew on them, showing that He Himself would come to them in spirit by the will of God. Now for the first time, His disciples were truly converted, baptized in Holy Spirit, possessing the mind of Christ, lead into all Truth (Jesus) by the Comforter—Jesus was NOW BUILDING HIS CHURCH!
"But the Comforter [Greek, parakletos, also called the Consoler, and in I John 2:1, Advocate in KJV, and Entreater in the CLNT] which IS the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you" (John 14:26).
The Advocate or Entreater in I John 2:1 IS the parakletos, The Comforter or Consoler of John 14:26 IS the parakletos,. and we are told that it is Jesus Christ Himself. Furthermore, the "Holy Spirit" that is said to come AS the Comforter is also Jesus Christ,
"Now the Lord IS that Spirit: and where the Spirit OF THE Lord [Jesus Christ] is, there is liberty" (II Cor. 3:17).
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When the Holy Spirit is indwelling and witnesses with our human spirit (Rom 8:16) it certainly gives us a "newness of life" (Rom 6:4; 7:6).
Rom 6:4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.
Rom 6:7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.
Rom 8:23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.
That Scripture shows that this initial embuding with the Holy Spirit in a believer is like a "firstfruit," or earnest (Eph 1:14; 2Co 1:22; 2 Cor 5:5). Earnest G728 arrhabōn - a pledge, that is, part of the purchase money or property given in advance as security for the rest: - earnest. But the "earnest" is also a "promise" from God, that once He begins this work in us He is certain to complete it (Php 1:6).
Eph 1:11 In Him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,
v. 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of His glory.
v. 13 In Him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
v. 14 who is the guarantee(earnest) of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of His glory.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
judy:
Jeff, if I only take one thing away from all this (it boggles my mind) is one thing you said and one other thing. You said, "obedience is worship" This too will help motivate me with this mouth of mine. Also, i totally agree with the concept of 'soul' on this thread. People throw the word soul around anymore like it was the presence of God where i always just thought it was a deeper reaching into the mind for truths. We don't have the ability to "find' God, He finds us first but there can be enlightening moments of truth but that's all it is, enlightening moments of God's truth. Buuuut, then again, Jesus said, I am the Way, the Life and the Truth" So, is it possible God allows His state of Truth to be found? And is this done by the Holy Spirit.??? Help on this idea!!!!
rick:
--- Quote from: judy on October 01, 2015, 03:44:22 PM ---Jeff, if I only take one thing away from all this (it boggles my mind) is one thing you said and one other thing. You said, "obedience is worship" This too will help motivate me with this mouth of mine. Also, i totally agree with the concept of 'soul' on this thread. People throw the word soul around anymore like it was the presence of God where i always just thought it was a deeper reaching into the mind for truths. We don't have the ability to "find' God, He finds us first but there can be enlightening moments of truth but that's all it is, enlightening moments of God's truth. Buuuut, then again, Jesus said, I am the Way, the Life and the Truth" So, is it possible God allows His state of Truth to be found? And is this done by the Holy Spirit.??? Help on this idea!!!!
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Hi Judy,
I like how Ray said its all one, one Father one Lord one Baptism one faith. I don’t see it in parts or steps, but this thread really brought it together in a way I had not viewed the subject before.
To me, the body and spirit together = soul, the soul is who we are, it’s what we think, do and say, God’s Holy Spirit lives in our soul and so our relationship with our creator begins.
Yes, we do have enlighten moments but they are more than that because of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who gets us to question everything we think, do and say, constantly reasoning with us inwardly and empowering us to sin less.
And then, you know, there is that other part of Gods Spirit that gives us life when untied with our body at birth.
This thread is what this forum is about!
God bless. :)
Jeff:
--- Quote from: judy on October 01, 2015, 03:44:22 PM ---Jeff, if I only take one thing away from all this (it boggles my mind) is one thing you said and one other thing. You said, "obedience is worship" This too will help motivate me with this mouth of mine. Also, i totally agree with the concept of 'soul' on this thread. People throw the word soul around anymore like it was the presence of God where i always just thought it was a deeper reaching into the mind for truths. We don't have the ability to "find' God, He finds us first but there can be enlightening moments of truth but that's all it is, enlightening moments of God's truth. Buuuut, then again, Jesus said, I am the Way, the Life and the Truth" So, is it possible God allows His state of Truth to be found? And is this done by the Holy Spirit.??? Help on this idea!!!!
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Hi Judy,
I learned that obedience is worship from a bible study of Ray's. I thought that as amazing too. I had always struggled to get away from what the church taught me.
Peace
Jeff
Jeff:
--- Quote from: Rick on October 01, 2015, 04:09:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: judy on October 01, 2015, 03:44:22 PM ---Jeff, if I only take one thing away from all this (it boggles my mind) is one thing you said and one other thing. You said, "obedience is worship" This too will help motivate me with this mouth of mine. Also, i totally agree with the concept of 'soul' on this thread. People throw the word soul around anymore like it was the presence of God where i always just thought it was a deeper reaching into the mind for truths. We don't have the ability to "find' God, He finds us first but there can be enlightening moments of truth but that's all it is, enlightening moments of God's truth. Buuuut, then again, Jesus said, I am the Way, the Life and the Truth" So, is it possible God allows His state of Truth to be found? And is this done by the Holy Spirit.??? Help on this idea!!!!
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Hi Judy,
I like how Ray said its all one, one Father one Lord one Baptism one faith. I don’t see it in parts or steps, but this thread really brought it together in a way I had not viewed the subject before.
To me, the body and spirit together = soul, the soul is who we are, it’s what we think, do and say, God’s Holy Spirit lives in our soul and so our relationship with our creator begins.
Yes, we do have enlighten moments but they are more than that because of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who gets us to question everything we think, do and say, constantly reasoning with us inwardly and empowering us to sin less.
And then, you know, there is that other part of Gods Spirit that gives us life when untied with our body at birth.
This thread is what this forum is about!
God bless. :)
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Well said friend! :)
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