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Losing the Holy Spirit
Kat:
--- Quote from: Rick on October 11, 2015, 11:47:31 AM ---but there will be people being born in the next age also that will be like the many in this age who are not being called by God at that time, so there is another aged afterwards where they shall go through the lake of fire as we are now.
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Hi Rick, here's a thought, do we know "there will be people being born in the next age"? Not trying to cause confusion, but understand what exactly the Scripture say on these things. I don't know of any that say there will continue to be births after this age... but there is a exchange between Jesus and the Sadducees that seems to indicate there will not be.
Mat 22:23 The same day Sadducees came to him, who say that there is no resurrection, and they asked him a question,
v. 24 saying, "Teacher, Moses said, 'If a man dies having no children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up offspring for his brother.'
v. 25 Now there were seven brothers among us. The first married and died, and having no offspring left his wife to his brother.
v. 26 So too the second and third, down to the seventh.
v. 27 After them all, the woman died.
v. 28 In the resurrection, therefore, of the seven, whose wife will she be? For they all had her."
v. 29 But Jesus answered them, "You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God.
v. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Jesus was not speaking to believers, nor does it seem like the resurrection He speaks of is the first resurrection. Yes there will be ages to go, because "but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matt 12:32). When you think about it, the next ages are for judgment and giving account for what was done in this age.
Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,
Rev 21:4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away."
If "death shall be no more" where is the continuing cycle of life and death? I could see how this cycle of physical birth and life and death would come to an end with this age, but this is just another one of those things to ponder.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
rick:
Hi Kat,
I see these verses in reference to the next age, when Gods elect shall reign with Christ, Isa 65:20 to me is talking about a sinner, Isa 65:21 to 24 is about Gods elect and Isa 65 :25 doesn’t happen in this age because the wolf and the lamb do not eat together and if I might add, for good reasoning on the lambs part.
This is why I think maybe the next age shall find people being born into it and we know Christ said to the pharisee that he will not be forgiven in this age nor the next but we do know its Gods will that all be saved, but still there must be two more ages that God must work through to get everyone saved.
I don’t believe its going to be just that one pharisee who will be in the third age learning righteousness so there must be some in the next age who will find themselves in the third age learning righteousness as well and could be some that are being born in the next age, yes Christ said they do error, but even though they will not marry or be given in marriage means nothing in this age because unmarried people do give birth and so maybe in the next age they do the same thing as they do in this age.
I don’t know for sure but for me it seems that could be the case.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
God bless. :)
Kat:
Rick, what Jesus was saying in Matt 12 about those He was referring to that would not be forgiven even in the next, we just do not know of who else might have to go into that age to be saved.
As far as Isaiah 65, i too think that is speaking of the next age, look at how it reads in the Eastern Standard Version.
Isa 65:20 No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days...
And here are a couple more about children, that I think is talking about the next age too.
Isa 11:6 The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:8 The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den.
When you think that there will be a great number of babies in the resurrection, so there will be plenty of children that will have to be nurtured and grow up in the next age that's for sure and "death shall be no more.".
Now as far people fornicating and producing children in the next age... I just do not see that happening under Christ's reign, He will rule with a "rod of iron" and so will the elect.
Rev 19:15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and he that keepeth My works unto the end, to him will I give authority over the nations:
v. 27 and he shall rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of the potter are broken to shivers; as I also have received of My Father:
I believe the next age will be quite opposite of this age, where as "everyone doing whatever is right in his own eyes" (Deu 12:08). No what God said will be true, people will learn righteousness and obey Him.
Isa 26:9 With my soul I have desired You in the night, Yes, by my spirit within me I will seek You early; For when Your judgments are in the earth, The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
rick:
Hi Kat,
I see what you mean concerning some speculation on my part which if it cannot be proven scripturally it remains in the realm of speculation which can be misleading and confusing.
I do agree with you that the next age will be totally different from this aged because of the scriptures that tell me so.
The next age, the child shall lie beside the lion and not be hurt, there will not be in the next aged what we see in this age and all will learn righteousness and no wrong doing will happen on Gods Holy mountain.
It will be a beautiful aged for a child to grow up in compared to this aged we live in now. I can hardly wait for the next aged to arrive.
Thanks for the correction and guidance Kat,
God bless. :)
John from Kentucky:
There will be sexual relations between men and women in the age to come.
Mat 22:23-30 is speaking of the 1st Resurrection because in verse 30 Jesus says we will be like the angels in heaven, that is made of spirit.
As Ray has taught, those in the 2nd Resurrection, or the Resurrection to Judgment, will not have spirit bodies, but will be resurrected with physical bodies. Reference the Book of Ezechiel and the valley of dry bones.
Sex is a good thing. God created us male and female. Males and females will be attracted to one another, be allowed to marry, and will produce children. There is a Scripture that children will play in the streets of Jerusalem in the age to come.
Sex differences are a major fact among living things. Created and blessed by the Great God.
Satan and His Great False Church teach that sex is dirty. Something to be ashamed of. It is another lie of Satan. The Scriptures tell us that in addition to controlling what we eat, it is the doctrine of demons to forbid marriage and to change the proper use of sex.
Even among resurrected spirit beings, they will have sexual differences; they will be male and female; God will have sons and daughters. But I will say no more about that. It would be too much for some among us. ;D
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