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Re: Losing the Holy Spirit
« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2015, 07:15:19 AM »


With my soul I desired Thee in the night, Also, with my spirit within me I seek Thee earnestly, For when Thy judgments are on the earth, The inhabitants of the world have learned righteousness  Isaiah 26:9


When God judgments are upon the earth the inhabitants of the whole world will learn righteousness.


In the resurrection to judgments the gay and lesbian people will learn righteousness.
Gay people will be punished and be corrected to become man and to sleep with woman
the same as;
Lesbian people will be punished and be corrected to become woman and to sleep with man.

nothing that i can imagine that these people will be corrected but to experience the true nature that the man is to a woman and a woman is to a man, and not man for man or woman for woman.
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« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2015, 10:35:30 AM »


Can you imagine if God did remove marriage and sex in the next age just how much of the problems that we see in society would be removed as well? I think there is so many ways to learn righteousness that does not involved carnal/worldly lusts and desires.

Col 3:1  If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.
v. 2  Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.

mercy, peace and love
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« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2015, 03:32:02 PM »

Sex is a product of lust.  Period.  It is only for a season, it is not forever.  As a consequence of sex, children have been born because, as Ray said, God wants many children to be in God's family.  But if there was no lust, there would be no children in God's family (I suppose God could just create a bunch of little Jesuses, but there is something that comes from lust (sin) that becomes the necessary backdrop of evil, which is what shows up goodness and righteousness.  Without sin there could be no virtue.  But there is absolutely nothing virtuous about sex because it is a product of lust.  Lust (which leads to sex DEATH) draws people away from God never to Him.  But that is part of the plan.  Come on...

Remember, as Ray pointed out, that Adam and Eve didn't have any sex until after they sinned.  They saw that they were naked and were ashamed and covered themselves.  21 And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them. 

Why make clothes to cover them if being naked was a good thing?  When have you ever had sex and imagined God or Jesus in the room watching you, and felt comfortable having sex at that very moment?  When?

"Who told you that you were naked?!  Did you eat of the fruit which I commanded you NOT to eat?

Of course, they had to eat it because otherwise how was God going to have all these sons and daughters to worship Him and Jesus?  I

Paul had a lot to say about sex and marriage.  He never forbade any to marry but this is how it truly is:

1 Timothy 5

9 Do not include a widow’s name in the list of widows unless she is more than 60 years old. She must have been the wife of one husband.

10 People should know that she has done good things. She must have been a good mother to her children. She should have been happy to have visitors in her home. She should have helped God’s people. She should have been like a servant who washes their feet. She should have helped people who had trouble. She must have continued to do all kinds of good things.

11 Refuse to include younger widows’ names in the list, for this reason: When they want to have sex, they will want to marry again. They will want to marry [have sex] MORE than they want to be Christ’s servants. Then they will stop being Christ’s servants.

12 So, they will not do what they had promised earlier to do for Christ. They will be wrong not to do that. And God will know that they are wrong.

KJV 12 thus incurring condemnation [not "commendation"], because they have set aside their previous pledge.  (Left their First (highest love) for the thrill of sex.)

13 They will also learn to be lazy.  They will go about from house to house. And not only will they become lazy. They will also learn to talk too much. They will become busy talking wrongly about other people. And they will say things that they ought not to say.

14 So, I think that younger widows should marry. They should have children. And they should look after their homes. Then they will not give an enemy any chance to say bad things about them.

15 Some of the younger widows have already turned away from Christ, so that they can obey Satan (get married for the sole purpose of having sex - that's why Paul said they should have children, because when you have children your sexual appetite typically diminishes because you're exhausted and you're in God's face more than you are in your earthly husband's arms).

Yes, the marriage bed should be pure and undefiled.  They shouldn't be denying each other sex because in marriage your  body is no longer yours -- how sexy is it to hear:  "You owe me!"?  Men can laugh about that, and think, I'd love the sound of that -- that's man's dream come true!

But what if they had an unattractive, fat, smelly wife? 

Jesus never had sex.  That didn't diminish Him in the slightest.  Why, if sex is so "good" did Jesus never have it?  And why if sex is so good and so satisfying, do people feel the need to do it over and over and over and over again.  And why if sex is so good does sex with the same person become boring and a chore after many years of it?  Why do people cheat on their spouses and feel guilty for even having sexual fantasies and viewing porn if sex is so "good," this "gift" to be sought after?  What happens when you put sex in those categories and then find that your spouse can't have sex?  Does your life suddenly fall apart?  It shouldn't fall apart because sex is not that great -- it is something animals can do  all the time.  To think sex is good you must have an appetite for it.  But what if you don't have a sexual appetite (like Jesus didn't have a sexual appetite)?  Are you doing something bad because you're not having sex, which some seek because they think it is "good"? 

The only physical sex in the resurrection to judgment, if there is any, won't be had by the residents in the kingdom.   
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Re: Losing the Holy Spirit
« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2015, 04:51:08 PM »

To add to Gina's post:

Jas 5:5  Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

2Ti 3:4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

1Co 7:9  But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

Ray on more than one occasion told me he thinks there will be something much better than sex in the next life. We both agree that there is something about the marriage of a man and woman that will be greatly amplified in the next life. A "shadow of things to come."

Rev 19:7  Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Rev 21:2  And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 22:17  And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

I have no interest in being anyone's bride, :) but it is symbolic afterall.

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« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2015, 05:11:37 PM »

Thanks, Dennis!  I also believe that physical marriage is a shadow of the real thing.  Didn't Ray say, "Do you want the shadow or the thing that casts the shadow?" (I hope I said that right.)

Adam knew his wife and they became one FLESH.  But Jesus Christ is telling us to become One  even as He and His Father are One.  One what?  One FLESH? 

Does anyone actually think that He is commanding us to break God's spiritual laws and have lust and sex with one another because that is how we become One, even as He and His Father are One?  He and His Father are not "One" flesh.  And He and His Father are not One" because they had sex with each other. 

I agree there is something so much better that God has waiting for those who believe Him. 

And if physical sex is so good and this "gift" from on high, then why did Adam and Eve have to break fellowship with God and disobey Him and believe a lie and hide from God in order to sink low enough to be able to crave sex?  Once they were hiding from God, all they had as far as they could see, which wasn't very far, were each other.  There was no room for God in their hearts where they were hiding -- they didn't want Him there either because now they were afraid of Him and you don't want someone you're afraid of around you.   God never encouraged them to do any of that.
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Re: Losing the Holy Spirit
« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2015, 05:15:27 PM »

We should feel bad for all those poor Muslims expecting their 72 virgins. They may get them but all they can do is look :(
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« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2015, 06:23:08 PM »

I rather would feel sorry for the 72 virgins being lusted after like that by a bunch of .....  LOL  ....  dogs. 

Hopefully what I'm about to say is in keeping with the original post - losing the Holy Spirit.  If not, sorry.  I noticed something really interesting in Genesis recently.  This was an eye opener to me and I was amazed.

Gen 2

7  Then the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground.  He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nostrils, and the man became a living person.

8 Then the LORD God planted a garden in Eden in the east, and there he placed the man he had made.

9 The LORD God made all sorts of trees grow up from the ground—trees that were beautiful and that produced delicious fruit. In the middle of the garden he placed the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.



Do you see that?  First He formed the man out of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils.  Then, after man had already become a living soul, God then planted the Garden in Eden where the tree of life and the tree of knowledge were.

Then after that God went back and got the man and placed the man in the Garden of Eden (God means "placer").

 I have read that a zillion times and only recently realized that Adam (the man) was not formed from the dust of the ground in the Garden of Eden....  !!

Okay, so it gets more interesting.   So then, Adam's there and he's all lonely and God puts him to sleep and builds up woman for him, and then Satan enters the Garden of Eden, deceives Eve, and God throws them both out of the Garden ....  wait for it....

Gen 2:23 So the LORD God banished them from the Garden of Eden, and he sent Adam out to cultivate the ground from which he had been made.


Wow!  Adam was placed in the Garden of Eden, he wasn't made or formed there in the very beginning ! 

Then, Adam screwed up, got kicked out of the Garden, and God put him back in the place from which he was originally made to till the ground that God made him from... wow!   Remember?  There was no man to till the soil?  God never said there was no man to till the Garden of Eden... God didn't need Adam to till the soil in the Garden of Eden apparently because everything was already in full bloom and all their needs were met! 

I don't know...  What do you all think?  What does it all represent?  It's like, God's just moving them all over the place!  (And Christians think they have free will and God doesn't direct their steps!)   God's forming man in one place and then placing him in a ready made garden, and then kicking him out and putting man back in the place where he was made, to till the soil there to reap thorns and thistles by the sweat of his brow. 

Maybe I am getting this wrong, but when God asked Adam to tend to the garden of Eden, God wasn't asking Adam to work the ground/ soil in order to make anything grow, because Eden was already planted for them and full grown and waiting for them by the time God placed them in it.  This is how it appears to me.  To tend means to work, of course, but it mainly means to minister to or to oversee or protect or guard.   Wow.   This is fascinating to me.  I don't know about the rest of you...
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« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2015, 06:29:14 PM »

What utter ignorance of the Scriptures.

Sex was created by God and it was good.

Only unlawful sex is condemned as sin.

It is O.K. for married couples to lust (desire) after one another.  Only unlawful lust is sin.

You have an entire book of Scriptures, the Song of Songs, that describes sexual desires between a man and woman.  It is a book of Scripture.  It is one of the five festival scrolls, which were read during one of the annual holy festivals.

Do you know when the Song of Songs was officially read?  During the Passover.  A book about physical love was read during the festival that represented the love between Christ and humanity.

This hatred of sex is not of God.  Satan's church has an underlying disapproval of one aspect of God's creation.

There is a Scripture that tells us that the spiritual can be understood by the physical creation.  Sex among human kind, animal kind, and even plant kind is a pervasive aspect of life---created by God.

This aversion to lawful sex was not known among the Hebrews or in their Scriptures.  It was only with the formation of the false Cristian churches did you have this condemnation of sex.

In fact, Scriptures tell us in the last days, such teachings are the doctrines of demons.

So beware of your words and your teachings. 
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« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2015, 07:01:47 PM »

I don't see sex mentioned in the Song of Songs at all.  I see no mention of sexual intercourse.  Where is it?  You're imagining that.  You see kisses?  So what?  What makes you think they're french kissing?  These are all symbols of something far more glorious than physical sex.  Solomon was inspired to write these things but who understands?  Not the prophet Solomon, who in all his glory -- all his wealth, status and wives, was not even arrayed as one of these.... lilies of the field, as Jesus pointed out.

How many wives did Solomon have?  Do you honestly think that he was commended by God for his wanton, craven desires, for which he was never, EVER satisfied? 

Per Kings "Solomon had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines, and his wives turned his heart away.  For when Solomon was old, his wives turned his heart away after other gods; and his heart was not wholly devoted to the LORD his God..."

Solomon was inspired to write in Eccl 7:

26 I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare,
whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains.
The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare.

[Solomon was ensnared...]

28 while I was still searching but not finding— I found one upright man among a thousand, but not one upright woman among them all
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I hardly think that Solomon, after all that, was inspired to write in Songs so highly of an earthly female (having not found one upright woman among them ALL) in the context of a physical marriage relationship.

He was speaking of something spiritual.  God's word is spirit, and all who worship him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.  The FLESH profits nothing.
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« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2015, 07:25:52 PM »

Sometimes I think, John, the only reason you want to be in God's presence is because of the women you hope to sleep with some day.  I think more likely you would hate God and turn your back on Him if you were to discover that mere messy sexual intercourse (which isn't always pleasurable for the woman) isn't what God has in store for those who love Him. 

It sounds like you are angry at the prospect of not getting sex in the hereafter. 

There is no "wisdom" in the act of sexual intercourse.  If there is, tell us why Jesus held up bread and wine and said, eat and drink this in remembrance of Me?

Aside from children (which many couples cannot have), what have you gained from having sex, John?  Love?  Do you really think sex is love? 


And you call me ignorant of the scriptures.  I think you are ignorant of your own wanton craven needs, and you are not seeking God but the thrill of sex in order that you might be worshiped and adored and made to feel "good" because you are an extremely insecure human being who talks (like the women Paul talked about in Timothy) too much!  Don't wear your (exceedingly weak) heart on your sleeve, like that, John!  Don't let it "hang all out" for the entire world to see!  Cover it up, buttercup!
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« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2015, 07:40:28 PM »

Sometimes I think, John, the only reason you want to be in God's presence is because of the women you hope to sleep with some day.  I think more likely you would hate God and turn your back on Him if you were to discover that mere messy sexual intercourse (which isn't always pleasurable for the woman) isn't what God has in store for those who love Him. 

It sounds like you are angry at the prospect of not getting sex in the hereafter. 

There is no "wisdom" in the act of sexual intercourse.  If there is, tell us why Jesus held up bread and wine and said, eat and drink this in remembrance of Me?

Aside from children (which many couples cannot have), what have you gained from having sex, John?  Love?  Do you really think sex is love? 


And you call me ignorant of the scriptures.  I think you are ignorant of your own wanton craven needs, and you are not seeking God but the thrill of sex in order that you might be worshiped and adored and made to feel "good" because you are an extremely insecure human being who talks (like the women Paul talked about in Timothy) too much!  Don't wear your (exceedingly weak) heart on your sleeve, like that, John!  Don't let it "hang all out" for the entire world to see!  Cover it up, buttercup!


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« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2015, 07:48:51 PM »

I am not talking about this current physical life where sex is necessary:

Mar 10:7  For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;

Mar 10:8  And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

But in the next life:

Gal 3:28  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Mar 12:25  For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
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« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2015, 08:15:24 PM »

28 Peter began to say to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You."

29 Jesus said, "Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or farms, for My sake and for the gospel's sake,

30 but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions; and in the age to come, eternal life


They will be receiving in the present age, now, not just hundred times as much houses and brother and sisters and mothers and children and farms, but with all of that ... persecutions.   Then, in the age to come, they will receive eternal life.

Imagine that they, in the present age, received hundreds times more houses and brothers and sisters (Luke mentioned having left "wives") and children, etc., Jesus said His words are spirit and truth.  So they received all that, but it was a spiritual family of brothers and wives and sisters and children, not literally; otherwise, they would have all had to have gotten married hundreds of times over!  Which would have been adultery!

Acts 2

40 And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation!"

41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls.


That's many hundreds times  more than what they left, right?   They received all that right along with persecutions....

I hardly think that Paul and the other Apostles were having sex with all these spiritual "wives" that the Lord gave to them to be in the spiritual family of God, when it was they who were preaching against adultery and perverseness, and about being saved from a perverse generation.

Paul said he was content to remain unmarried.  Although, there was a time when he spoke about wanting a wife of his own (I think), that was not his mission in life.

Besides, how was he going to take care of wife and children with all the care of the churches and all of his persecutions?    I don't think Paul was so callous as to not realize that he would be bringing all his persecutions into a marriage and family.  I don't think Paul was earthly minded:

One who is unmarried is concerned about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, and his interests are divided.

Paul's interests were not divided.

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« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2015, 08:28:03 PM »

Dennis,

I believe Galatians is more of a reference to the fact that God is no respecter (Acts 10:34, 1 Peter 1:17) of persons and less about whether the differences between men and women will cease. We have many verses which testify to the fact that God is making children (men and women) and specifically a reference to son's and daughters, which infers a sexual difference between the two genders must continue to exist if we are to continue as son's and daughters in the next age.

Romans 8:14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children [males and female] of God.

2 Corinthians 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

God bless,
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« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2015, 08:49:59 PM »

I am not talking about this current physical life where sex is necessary:

Mar 10:7  For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;

Mar 10:8  And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

But in the next life:

Gal 3:28  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Mar 12:25  For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.


Hello Dennis,

Alex stated my thoughts regarding Gal 3:28.  God is no respecter of persons.  Men will not be treated superior to women in the world to come.

But the Scriptures he quoted indicate there will be sexual differences.  What is the difference between sons and daughters?  Their sexual parts.  If no sexual differences, then instead of sons and daughters, God would have its and its.  One reason God is so opposed to homosexuality is God made them male and female.  God does not approve when humans try to change the way He made things.

And the verse you quoted from Mark.  Jesus said they would not marry in the Resurrection.  It is the Greek word gameo---marriage.  Jesus didn't say anything about sex.  Marriage and sex are two different words---two different things.

As I said before, no one can provide two Scriptures that say no sex.  People are just giving personal opinions and getting emotional about something that God does not specifically discuss, either way.

Peace.  God will sort it all out.
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« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2015, 08:59:53 PM »

I think Galatians is a reference to the fact that those who are One with Christ are so entwined with Him ( or "clothed" with Him) and the things of God that you won't be able to tell them apart. 

No one will be able to tell them apart because they have become just like Him having been clothed with Christ.  Nobody will be able to see where Christ begins and His spiritual "bride" (brothers and sisters/flock) ends, for lack of a better phrase. 

They may have differences (according to the world's standards), but they themselves (his flock/bride) aren't looking at the differences between themselves and comparing themselves with one another in a worldly manner and sizing each other up. 

There will not be any major differences between them -- because they will act and talk and behave like Christ having clothed themselves with Him (or having been clothed by Him).

Gal. 3

27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.


They just aren't looking on the outward appearances any more because they all pretty much look like Christ.

There’s a Rock Opera, ‘Jesus Christ Superstar’  Anyone ever heard of that?  In there, there’s a song - Mary Magdalene sings this song and it’s entitled, ‘I don’t know how to love Him.’  It goes like this…

JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR:

I Don't Know How To Love Him
   MARY MAGDALENE--

I don't know how to love him.
What to do, how to move him...
...I don't see why he moves me.
HE’S A MAN. HE’S JUST A MAN
And I've had so many men before,
In very many ways,
He's just one more.
Should I bring him down?
Should I scream and shout?
Should I speak of love,
Let my feelings out?
I never thought I'd come to this.
What's it all about?

Is that Jesus, just a man some girl might fall in lust over, just a man?


http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11521.msg99632.html#msg99632
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« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2015, 09:26:08 PM »

And the verse you quoted from Mark.  Jesus said they would not marry in the Resurrection.  It is the Greek word gameo---marriage.  Jesus didn't say anything about sex.  Marriage and sex are two different words---two different things.

As I said before, no one can provide two Scriptures that say no sex.  People are just giving personal opinions and getting emotional about something that God does not specifically discuss, either way.

Peace.  God will sort it all out.

John, the Bible clearly prohibits all sexual relations outside of marriage.

Heb 13:4  Let marriage be had in honor among all, and let the bed be undefiled: for fornicators and adulterers God will judge. (ASV)

Homosexuality forbidden Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:24-28
Bestiality forbidden Leviticus 18:23

So if there is no marriage in the next age, where is the sexual relations?

Col 3:5  Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication(G4202), uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.
v. 6  Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience,

G4202 porneia - harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively idolatry: - fornication.

mercy, peace and love
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« Reply #57 on: October 12, 2015, 10:01:51 PM »

John, the Bible clearly prohibits all sexual relations outside of marriage.
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Yes, you are correct Kat.  In this age.

But I wonder about the ages to come.  I wonder why God will have sons and daughters if no sex?  There is the Scripture that says, At your right hand are pleasures evermore.
  You have to understand.  I do not see in the Scriptures where God made a mistake in creating sexual differences.  Sex by itself is not evil.  Like everything else, it is the unlawful use of something that makes it a sin

I don't know.  No definitive Scriptures about this point in the ages to come.  I will ask again.  Do you have two definitive Scriptures that will answer this question?  Not two Scriptures that you tell us what they mean.  But two Scriptures that will stand alone, without editorial input?
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« Reply #58 on: October 12, 2015, 10:43:03 PM »

John, the Bible clearly prohibits all sexual relations outside of marriage.
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Yes, you are correct Kat.  In this age.

But I wonder about the ages to come.  I wonder why God will have sons and daughters if no sex?  There is the Scripture that says, At your right hand are pleasures evermore.
  You have to understand.  I do not see in the Scriptures where God made a mistake in creating sexual differences.  Sex by itself is not evil.  Like everything else, it is the unlawful use of something that makes it a sin

I don't know.  No definitive Scriptures about this point in the ages to come.  I will ask again.  Do you have two definitive Scriptures that will answer this question?  Not two Scriptures that you tell us what they mean.  But two Scriptures that will stand alone, without editorial input?


Who here said God made a mistake making sexual differences?   It's only men and women who look on the outward appearance and not on the heart who have problems with that.

You  say, "I wonder why God would have sons and daughters if no sex?"

Really? 

Jesus Christ came into existence without ever being conceived through sexual intercourse, DUH! 

So that means HIS BROTHERS AND SISTERS WILL ALSO BECOME SONS AND DAUGHTERS THROUGH THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT! 

There is sex now in this present age, you think a hundred billion people throughout the ages aren't enough children for God to fill with the Holy Spirit?  He needs us to have more wantonness and craving for physical sex to bring Him pleasure?

That's stupid, haha!! 

You said that, "but doesn't scripture say, At your right hand are pleasures evermore."

Does "scripture" really and truly insinuate that pleasure cannot be had without sexual intercourse, John?  Obviously it can be had because Jesus Christ is pleasure and Jesus Christ has sat down at God's right hand!

Concordant Literal Version

Psalm 16:11 I poise Yahweh in front of me continually; Because He is at my right hand, I shall not slip at all."

9 Wherefore, my heart rejoices, and my glory shall exult; Indeed, my flesh, it shall tabernacle in serenity."

10 For You shall not forsake my soul in the unseen; You shall not allow Your benign one to see corruption.

11 You shall acquaint me with the path of life; Satisfying rejoicings are in Your presence; PLEASANTNESS is at Your right hand. {Permanent}


Definition of Pleasant:  (of a person or their manner) friendly and considerate; likable.  "they found him pleasant and cooperative"
synonyms:   friendly, agreeable, amiable, nice, genial, cordial, likable, amicable, good-humored, good-natured, personable; hospitable, approachable, gracious, courteous, polite, obliging, helpful, considerate; charming, lovely, delightful, sweet, sympathetic, simpatico


I don't see the word sexual in any of those synonyms for pleasure.

What is at the "right hand of God"?  Pleasure/pleasantness

Who is at the right hand of God?

21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience-- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,  22 who is at the right hand of God,

Mark 16:19
After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

Matthew 22:44
"'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet."'   


(Doesn't sound to me like being a footstool for His feet will be pleasurable position to find yourself in.)


And I could list out another 2 or 3 which says Jesus Christ is at the right of God. 

What exactly are you insinuating God's right hand is doing, John?    Are you trying to be ssssssssssubtle, or does it just come naturally to you? 



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Kat

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Re: Losing the Holy Spirit
« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2015, 10:46:02 PM »

So Jesus' own words in Matt 22:30 and Luke 20:35 saying there will be no marriage in the age to come is not enough for you? Really? And do you wonder in the ages to come if maybe the commandment of "you shall not commit adultery" will be done away with? Really?

This age serves many purpose and sex is one of them, but it is a thing of the flesh... the next age will be learning righteousness, the things of the Spirit. What we are born as in this age (male or female) is part of who we are (just like with Christ) no need to change that. Your carnal desires seem to have made you blind to all the many Scripture that I and others have provided...

mercy, peace and love
Kat
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