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santgem:

With my soul I desired Thee in the night, Also, with my spirit within me I seek Thee earnestly, For when Thy judgments are on the earth, The inhabitants of the world have learned righteousness  Isaiah 26:9


When God judgments are upon the earth the inhabitants of the whole world will learn righteousness.


In the resurrection to judgments the gay and lesbian people will learn righteousness.
Gay people will be punished and be corrected to become man and to sleep with woman
the same as;
Lesbian people will be punished and be corrected to become woman and to sleep with man.

nothing that i can imagine that these people will be corrected but to experience the true nature that the man is to a woman and a woman is to a man, and not man for man or woman for woman.

Kat:

Can you imagine if God did remove marriage and sex in the next age just how much of the problems that we see in society would be removed as well? I think there is so many ways to learn righteousness that does not involved carnal/worldly lusts and desires.

Col 3:1  If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.
v. 2  Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Gina:
Sex is a product of lust.  Period.  It is only for a season, it is not forever.  As a consequence of sex, children have been born because, as Ray said, God wants many children to be in God's family.  But if there was no lust, there would be no children in God's family (I suppose God could just create a bunch of little Jesuses, but there is something that comes from lust (sin) that becomes the necessary backdrop of evil, which is what shows up goodness and righteousness.  Without sin there could be no virtue.  But there is absolutely nothing virtuous about sex because it is a product of lust.  Lust (which leads to sex DEATH) draws people away from God never to Him.  But that is part of the plan.  Come on...

Remember, as Ray pointed out, that Adam and Eve didn't have any sex until after they sinned.  They saw that they were naked and were ashamed and covered themselves.  21 And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them. 

Why make clothes to cover them if being naked was a good thing?  When have you ever had sex and imagined God or Jesus in the room watching you, and felt comfortable having sex at that very moment?  When?

"Who told you that you were naked?!  Did you eat of the fruit which I commanded you NOT to eat?

Of course, they had to eat it because otherwise how was God going to have all these sons and daughters to worship Him and Jesus?  I

Paul had a lot to say about sex and marriage.  He never forbade any to marry but this is how it truly is:

1 Timothy 5

9 Do not include a widow’s name in the list of widows unless she is more than 60 years old. She must have been the wife of one husband.

10 People should know that she has done good things. She must have been a good mother to her children. She should have been happy to have visitors in her home. She should have helped God’s people. She should have been like a servant who washes their feet. She should have helped people who had trouble. She must have continued to do all kinds of good things.

11 Refuse to include younger widows’ names in the list, for this reason: When they want to have sex, they will want to marry again. They will want to marry [have sex] MORE than they want to be Christ’s servants. Then they will stop being Christ’s servants.

12 So, they will not do what they had promised earlier to do for Christ. They will be wrong not to do that. And God will know that they are wrong.

KJV 12 thus incurring condemnation [not "commendation"], because they have set aside their previous pledge.  (Left their First (highest love) for the thrill of sex.)

13 They will also learn to be lazy.  They will go about from house to house. And not only will they become lazy. They will also learn to talk too much. They will become busy talking wrongly about other people. And they will say things that they ought not to say.

14 So, I think that younger widows should marry. They should have children. And they should look after their homes. Then they will not give an enemy any chance to say bad things about them.

15 Some of the younger widows have already turned away from Christ, so that they can obey Satan (get married for the sole purpose of having sex - that's why Paul said they should have children, because when you have children your sexual appetite typically diminishes because you're exhausted and you're in God's face more than you are in your earthly husband's arms).

Yes, the marriage bed should be pure and undefiled.  They shouldn't be denying each other sex because in marriage your  body is no longer yours -- how sexy is it to hear:  "You owe me!"?  Men can laugh about that, and think, I'd love the sound of that -- that's man's dream come true!

But what if they had an unattractive, fat, smelly wife? 

Jesus never had sex.  That didn't diminish Him in the slightest.  Why, if sex is so "good" did Jesus never have it?  And why if sex is so good and so satisfying, do people feel the need to do it over and over and over and over again.  And why if sex is so good does sex with the same person become boring and a chore after many years of it?  Why do people cheat on their spouses and feel guilty for even having sexual fantasies and viewing porn if sex is so "good," this "gift" to be sought after?  What happens when you put sex in those categories and then find that your spouse can't have sex?  Does your life suddenly fall apart?  It shouldn't fall apart because sex is not that great -- it is something animals can do  all the time.  To think sex is good you must have an appetite for it.  But what if you don't have a sexual appetite (like Jesus didn't have a sexual appetite)?  Are you doing something bad because you're not having sex, which some seek because they think it is "good"? 

The only physical sex in the resurrection to judgment, if there is any, won't be had by the residents in the kingdom.   

Dennis Vogel:
To add to Gina's post:

Jas 5:5  Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

2Ti 3:4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

1Co 7:9  But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

Ray on more than one occasion told me he thinks there will be something much better than sex in the next life. We both agree that there is something about the marriage of a man and woman that will be greatly amplified in the next life. A "shadow of things to come."

Rev 19:7  Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Rev 21:2  And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 22:17  And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

I have no interest in being anyone's bride, :) but it is symbolic afterall.

Gina:
Thanks, Dennis!  I also believe that physical marriage is a shadow of the real thing.  Didn't Ray say, "Do you want the shadow or the thing that casts the shadow?" (I hope I said that right.)

Adam knew his wife and they became one FLESH.  But Jesus Christ is telling us to become One  even as He and His Father are One.  One what?  One FLESH? 

Does anyone actually think that He is commanding us to break God's spiritual laws and have lust and sex with one another because that is how we become One, even as He and His Father are One?  He and His Father are not "One" flesh.  And He and His Father are not One" because they had sex with each other. 

I agree there is something so much better that God has waiting for those who believe Him. 

And if physical sex is so good and this "gift" from on high, then why did Adam and Eve have to break fellowship with God and disobey Him and believe a lie and hide from God in order to sink low enough to be able to crave sex?  Once they were hiding from God, all they had as far as they could see, which wasn't very far, were each other.  There was no room for God in their hearts where they were hiding -- they didn't want Him there either because now they were afraid of Him and you don't want someone you're afraid of around you.   God never encouraged them to do any of that.

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