Hi Jeff, here is one place Ray did speak of tartarus.
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-C.html -----------------
The Egyptians called their place of punishment in the underworld, amenti. When the Greeks borrowed most of the Egyptian myths surrounding this place called amenti, they called it by the name hades.
Thomas Thayer supports Professor Stuart, Greppo's Essay, and Spineto, that: "The Amenti of the Egyptians originated the classic fables of Hades and Tartarus." (Doctrine of Eternal Punishment, Chapt. 3, P. 7.)
Did Jesus believe that when people die, they are consciously alive and tormented in the pagan hell of the Greeks named after their pagan god, hades?
Why would Jesus use pagan religious doctrines and beliefs to teach spiritual truths of God?
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Virtually all of the great gods of Egypt became the great gods of Greece and Rome. They invented a few characters of their own, but the main characters of Greek mythology come straight out of Egypt. And all of this is a matter of reams of documented history.
The lowest and worst part of hades is called "Tartarus" in Greek.
"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Gk: ‘tartaroo’]…" (II Peter. 2:4.)
Tartaroo is the Greek tartarus. But tartarus is not from the Greek, it is EGYPTIAN. Tartarus comes from the Egyptian word "tartar," which had to do with the lamenting at Egyptian funerals when a loved one was forbidden burial across the lake.
The paradise of the Egyptians was called Elisout or Elisaeus, or the Fields of Reeds. When copied by the Greeks and Romans these areas of paradise were called the Elysian Fields. All of the major gods and goblins of the Egyptian netherworld were copied and reintroduced into Greek mythology. From there they were copied by the Romans, and then allowed to remain as part of the Roman Catholic Church, even though the theologians knew these practices and beliefs were pagan to the core.
God has sternly warned:
"Take heed to yourself that you be not snared by following them [the pagan nations], after that they be destroyed from before you: and that you enquire NOT after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? EVEN SO WILL I DO LIKEWISE" (Deut. 12:30.)
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2 Peter 2:4 "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [tartarus--abyss], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment"
Where does God send the sinful angels?
I think what the question really is, is who are "the angels that sinned"? When this is made clear then you will understand where they are sent. Here are excerpts from '23 Minutes In Hell.'
http://bible-truths.com/23-minutes-in-hell.html --------------
No, demons are not angels, and angels are not demons, and there is not one Scripture to support such a theory.
The "angels of God" (Matt 25:31) and the "angels of the Devil" (Matt. 25:31) are the same Greek word, #32, 'angelos,' and the definition of this Greek word is: 'an angel, messenger, or pastor.' (Strong's Greek Dictionary). Nowhere is this word defined as "a demon."
Although the King James does not use the word "demon(s)," At numerous places in Scripture the word "daimon"--meaning 'demon' is found. Example, the word "devils" found in Matt. 8:31 is 'daimon' in the Greek manuscripts. Various English Versions translate 'daimon' into "demons" rather than "devils." But "demons/daimons" are never, ever translated "angels." Whoever or whatever the angels of the Devil are, they assuredly are not invisible or visible huge, ugly, deformed, alien monsters, which Bill calls "demons," "chained angels," and "angels of the Devil."
Please notice once more the definition of "angelos"--"an angel, messenger, or PASTOR" (Dr. Strong's Greek Dictionary #32, 'angelos').
How in the world could anyone confuse the hideous-looking zero IQ monsters in Bill's book, with angels, messengers, or pastors. One could possibly get a few back-woods uneducated aboriginals to worship such creatures, but certainly not hundreds and hundreds of millions of educated Christians.
If Rev. 12:9 is a true statement from God, then how is it that the two billion Christians in the world are excluded from "...the whole world" which are deceived by the Devil and his angels?
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Satan deceives the world (except for the "few chosen ELECT" of God) through his own ministers. The Devil's angels are the Devil's ministers, and they are mortal men, not hideous, animalistic, monsters called demons. The "children of the lady" are the "very elect, few," and Satan the Devil has his "children" as well: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do" (John 8:44).
Now go back to verse 13 and notice who it was that followed Jesus and to whom it was that Jesus addressed: "The Pharisees therefore said unto him, You bear record of yourself; your record is not true."
And remember that the Pharisees were the religious leaders of God's church in Judea. But they were not godly men or godly ministers of Jesus, but rather they were the children of their father the Devil. These religious leaders were and still are, "the angels of the Devil"--the "ministers of Satan" (Matt. 25:41 & II Cor. 11:14-15).
Jesus calls these leaders of the Church, "angels of the Devil," "the children of their father the Devil." The Apostle Paul calls them "Satan's ministers."
"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their works" (II Cor. 11:15).
So who are you going to believe? Bill Wiese with his hideous, alien, zero IQ monsters, or the Word of God?
"The angels of the Devil" are humans, mortals, church leaders:v
And certainly not all the clergy of Christendom are pawns of Satan, but many of them are.
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Jesus cast out many daimonions/demons (Mark 1:34), but Jesus never cast out Satan's ministers or Satan's "angalos/angels/messengers." Satan's work is to deceive educated leaders in God's Church--mortal men, not spirit demons.
In Acts 13:10, Paul accuses Barjesus (a Jewish false prophet, Verse 6) of being "...you child of the Devil, you enemy of all righteousness..." Those accused of being children of the Devil are always mortal men, not spirit demons.
Jesus accused the religious Scribes and Pharisees of having "the Devil for a father," but never is Satan said to be the father of spirit demons.
"Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? and in Thy Name have cast out devils? [Greek 'diamonion' - demons] and in thy name done many wonderful works?" (Matt. 7:22)
Notice that these Christian leaders do many things "in the Name" of Jesus Christ. Such as prophesying, casting out demons, and many other wonderful works. Where are "angelos = angels and messengers" cast out in the Name of Jesus Christ? Not anywhere, because these "many" doing these things in Jesus' name are mortal men themselves, not spirit demons.
It's time you are freed from this gross religious deception. There is only one group of people on the face of the earth who ("...prophesy, cast out demons, and do many wonderful works in the Name of Jesus"), and they are the leaders of the Christian Church.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat