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Submissive Wife
Kat:
Ephesians 5:22 Wives be subject to your own husband.
That Scripture is pretty clear... God has created this order between men and women. It's another aspect of this intricate experience to have good and evil, the consequences of the choices we make can be good or not so good, but we learn from it all. So how is that verse applicable in a marriage relationship? I mean does a woman have no say or opinion about things? I think it really is more about attitude, an attitude of submission.
Submission - the state of being obedient : the act of accepting the authority or control of someone else. (Merriam-Webster)
The husband is the head of the household, the wife should have the attitude to voluntarily cooperate with your husband, his "helper as his counterpart" (Gen 2:29, Rotherham). Submission does not mean being a door mat, and I think that idea does a disservice to women and to what submission is supposed to be. A "woman of virtue is a crown to her husband" (Proverbs 12:4)... so he has his throne, but she is the crown in a godly marriage. If there has not been this proper order in your marriage, repent and change. With pray and continued striving to do God's will, it is a process that takes time, but He can give you a submissive heart to have produce loving relationship in your marriage. And if your husband is an nonbeliever, the key is a attitude of humility, not overt piousness or self-righteousness. Being righteous is not about being right all the time.
I don't think it's about a wife never having input either, certainly a husband and wife should discuss things, but it's not about getting what 'you' want, it's more about sharing different perspectives to reach the best conclusion. If you develop a relationship of mutual respect, love and support for one another, then there is no need to challenge his authority or to criticize. But it's those little nuances of 'voluntarily cooperating' that keeps there from being animosities.
Just a few thoughts.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
octoberose:
And for all those reasons I still go once a week to a 'christian church' because that is what my husband wants. I have to give him a lot of credit- he has never told me not to speak about things I don't believe. I just try to not be obnoxious either. But I know him, have known him for forty years, and if I said I wasn't going with him anymore, it would hurt him and hurt our relationship. He would see it as being non supportive, I think.
And I just give this up to God, because if I'm suppose to be 'coming out of her', well, that's going to have to be in attitude and belief, and not where I sit once a week.
Jeff:
--- Quote from: octoberose on October 23, 2015, 10:04:48 PM ---And for all those reasons I still go once a week to a 'christian church' because that is what my husband wants. I have to give him a lot of credit- he has never told me not to speak about things I don't believe. I just try to not be obnoxious either. But I know him, have known him for forty years, and if I said I wasn't going with him anymore, it would hurt him and hurt our relationship. He would see it as being non supportive, I think.
And I just give this up to God, because if I'm suppose to be 'coming out of her', well, that's going to have to be in attitude and belief, and not where I sit once a week.
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This IS LOVE! :)
indianabob:
Hi again Rose,
You are where I am but on the opposite side.
My wife cooperated with me in the same manner that you have described for yourself.
It was her loving example that led members to "assume" that she was a deaconess, when in fact she was not even baptized in the WWCG. All the time we were in WWCG, 30 yrs. of raising four children, she was aware of many of the inconsistencies of their doctrine and practices and even shared those concerns with me.
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I was quite stubborn and afraid to make waves and insisted on certain petty things that men are likely to allow to control themselves out of false pride. I think God prepared her for the challenge long before we even met. I'm certainly blessed to have the benefit of her leadership.... and that God finally woke me up to see and understand.
I support your loving approach and great patience. God knows your heart and your husband will someday realize the value of your personal sacrifice and be amazed.
Indiana Bob
--- Quote from: octoberose on October 23, 2015, 10:04:48 PM ---And for all those reasons I still go once a week to a 'christian church' because that is what my husband wants. I have to give him a lot of credit- he has never told me not to speak about things I don't believe. I just try to not be obnoxious either. But I know him, have known him for forty years, and if I said I wasn't going with him anymore, it would hurt him and hurt our relationship. He would see it as being non supportive, I think.
And I just give this up to God, because if I'm suppose to be 'coming out of her', well, that's going to have to be in attitude and belief, and not where I sit once a week.
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rick:
--- Quote from: Kat on October 23, 2015, 02:58:20 PM ---
Ephesians 5:22 Wives be subject to your own husband.
That Scripture is pretty clear... God has created this order between men and women. It's another aspect of this intricate experience to have good and evil, the consequences of the choices we make can be good or not so good, but we learn from it all. So how is that verse applicable in a marriage relationship? I mean does a woman have no say or opinion about things? I think it really is more about attitude, an attitude of submission.
Submission - the state of being obedient : the act of accepting the authority or control of someone else. (Merriam-Webster)
The husband is the head of the household, the wife should have the attitude to voluntarily cooperate with your husband, his "helper as his counterpart" (Gen 2:29, Rotherham). Submission does not mean being a door mat, and I think that idea does a disservice to women and to what submission is supposed to be. A "woman of virtue is a crown to her husband" (Proverbs 12:4)... so he has his throne, but she is the crown in a godly marriage. If there has not been this proper order in your marriage, repent and change. With pray and continued striving to do God's will, it is a process that takes time, but He can give you a submissive heart to have produce loving relationship in your marriage. And if your husband is an nonbeliever, the key is a attitude of humility, not overt piousness or self-righteousness. Being righteous is not about being right all the time.
I don't think it's about a wife never having input either, certainly a husband and wife should discuss things, but it's not about getting what 'you' want, it's more about sharing different perspectives to reach the best conclusion. If you develop a relationship of mutual respect, love and support for one another, then there is no need to challenge his authority or to criticize. But it's those little nuances of 'voluntarily cooperating' that keeps there from being animosities.
Just a few thoughts.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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I would think there is a big difference being submissive to a spiritually minded man opposed to a carnal minded man.
No wonder the scriptures say be not unevenly yoked, if we only believed what scripture says perhaps life would not be so burdensome for most of us.
Kat, you gave a Godly response to this thread. :)
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