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Jeff:
2 Peter 2:4 "For if God spared not the angels that sinned..."
So, aggelos in this verse is referring to men, and we can tell because these messengers sinned, whereas God's aggelos do not?
Kat:
--- Quote from: Jeff on October 28, 2015, 12:09:35 PM ---2 Peter 2:4 "For if God spared not the angels that sinned..."
So, aggelos in this verse is referring to men, and we can tell because these messengers sinned, whereas God's aggelos do not?
--- End quote ---
Hi Jeff,
2Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare the angels (G32 a pastor: - angel, messenger) who sinned, but cast them down to hell (G5020 tartaroo) and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
When considering this verse in 2 Peter, just go back a few verses and see what Peter begins this passage by speaking of.
2Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
v. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.
v. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.
I think it's that most translations use the word "angels" in verse 4 that throws us off, but Ray made it clear the word can and does refers to messengers and PASTORS.
So thinking about what Peter is saying there, those angels/pastors were cast down to hell/tartaroo, from LOF 16-C "The lowest and worst part of hades is called "Tartarus" in Greek."
The first email is concerning exactly what 'hades' is, and also other emails that should further explain this topic.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3892.0.html ----
>Does the word SHEOL in the Hebrew always mean "GRAVE"?
COMMENT: Although "grave" is an acceptable translation of "sheol,"
it is far from exact. Sheol means the "state or realm of the dead," not the
place where the dead are buried.
> Does the word HADES in the GREEK always mean "GRAVE"?
COMMENT: Likewise hades (which Strong defines as 'sheol') would be
more closely translated grave than hell, but it too, like sheol has to do with
the "unseen state" realm of the dead.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6926.0.html ----
Dear Charles: You are failing to understand just WHO Satans angels [messengers] are. The false teachers and pastors of Mystery Babylon the Great, the Great Church, ARE THE MESSENGERS OF SATAN! And it was for THEM that this eonian/lake of fire/second death was prepared.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,8808.0.html ----
Dear Mike: In Scripture, angels, messengers, and ministers are used interchangeably.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels [#32] spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Greek: #32, aggelos, From aggellō (probably derived from G71; compare G34; to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication a PASTOR: - angel, messenger. (Strong's Concordance).
Now then, notice what Paul says concerning Satan and his "ministers"-
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his MINISTERS also be transformed as the MINISTERS of righteousness; whose end [eonian/gehenna/hell/lake of fire JUDGMENT] shall be according to their works.
It is the false ministers (the "ministers of righteousness") of Mystery Babylon--The CHURCH, who are to be judged in this "eonian" fire along with their many millions of followers. See my last Installment: "The Lake of Fire and the Second Death."
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=2657.0 ---------
"Aidios" assuredly DOES NOT mean "eternal." It means imperceptible or invisable. It has two elements "A" = not, and "idios" = see or perceive. Hence "not see or not perceive." What can BE seen in creation attests to what CANNOT BE SEEN in God's achievements. The bonds of the angels are not visible and literal physical chains, but "imperceptible" chains. It is very similar to the word "h - ades," which is also un perceive, hence unseen or imperceptible.
God be with you,
Ray
Jeff:
Kat,
I think what I wrote is in agreement with what you wrote.
In 2nd Peter what's translated as angels is actually referring to a human being (man - PASTOR) not an angel.
As far as sheol, hades, and tartarus go, I think what I wrote is in compliance.
Kat:
I think you were in compliance with what I added... it's just good to present all the material on a subject for anybody that might be reading.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
>Does the word SHEOL in the Hebrew always mean "GRAVE"?
COMMENT: Although "grave" is an acceptable translation of "sheol,"
it is far from exact. Sheol means the "state or realm of the dead," not the
place where the dead are buried.
> Does the word HADES in the GREEK always mean "GRAVE"?
COMMENT: Likewise hades (which Strong defines as 'sheol') would be
more closely translated grave than hell, but it too, like sheol has to do with
the "unseen state" realm of the dead.
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